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What am I doing wrong?! (butane lighter issues)

This is a discussion on What am I doing wrong?! (butane lighter issues) within the Cigar Accessory Discussion forums, part of the The Cigar Lounges at Puff category; First, let me say I'm remarkably mechanically uninclined. I am completely retarded when it comes to understanding how things work. ...

  
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    The Karate Squid Aninjaforallseasons's Avatar


     

    What am I doing wrong?! (butane lighter issues)

    First, let me say I'm remarkably mechanically uninclined. I am completely retarded when it comes to understanding how things work. So if you can answer any of the below questions, please answer them like you're talking to a 10 year old. I need it that basic!

    OK, so I have four lighters, and not a single one works.



    First, I have two Ronsons and a Thunderbird zippo insert torch lighter. I've filled them all with Ronson butane and had nothing but problems.

    I did some research, and purged the lighters by holding down on the nozzle until there was no more sound or spray. Then I used a Xikar premium butane can to fill them each up. But they still each do the same thing: they will shoot a burst of flame which immediately goes out, and then nothing. Over, and over, and over. Every once in a while I'll get a sustained flame, and then once it goes out, I click over and over and just get the one burst of flame.

    So I have a few questions:
    1. When you're filling a lighter, how do you know it's full? The Xikar instructions say to press and hold for 3-4 seconds and repeat until full. I repeated probably ten times. Is that enough?
    2. Do I need to do more to purge besides pressing and holding the nozzle until nothing more comes out?
    3. Will cold affect the lighter's performance? I noticed they all seemed to work briefly when I first filled them, but not a single one would work when I was outside trying to actually use the darn thing.
    4. Are there other possibilities that could cause all three of these lighters to not function? Am I missing something?



    Second, I have a beautiful Xikar Flintfire lighter that Kapathy so generously bombed me with. My wife tried to light it when I wasn't there, and it didn't light, so she slid the slide on top, which I think is the safety, and now the side dial just turns without sparking at all regardless of the position of the slide on top. Anyone ever own one of these and have an issue with it not sparking?

    Thanks in advance!

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    CRT #1984, CRA #99974873 szyzk's Avatar


     

    Re: What am I doing wrong?! (butane lighter issues)

    It's possible the butane lighters are clogged. My Blazer stopped lighting earlier this summer and I had to take the whole thing apart and use canned air to clean everything. Since then it's worked perfectly.

    Your best bet is to get a small screwdriver and start tearing things apart. Take photos or write down instructions while you're doing it so you can be sure to put everything back. Long story short, at some point you'll find a long tube that allows the gas to travel from the reservoir to the igniter, that's probably what's clogged.
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    Who's Your Pug Daddy Qball's Avatar


     

    Re: What am I doing wrong?! (butane lighter issues)

    Are you adjusting the flow on the bottom? There should be a little screw or knob with an arrow indiciating + one way, and - the other way

    Always fill with it set all the way to '-' (lowest flame setting)

    Purge.. let rest... purge

    Fill... let rest for 3-5 minutes... fill again... let rest

    Then adjust the little flame adjustment screw to the 1/2 way point.

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    The Karate Squid Aninjaforallseasons's Avatar


     

    Re: What am I doing wrong?! (butane lighter issues)

    Perhaps the rest will help, I haven't done that. Ill give it a go, then if that doesn't work, I'll start taking it apart! Dunno how to get a Ronson apart, so I'll pray the rest in between purges and filling works!!!

    Anyone know if the cold affects performance?

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    King of All Puffer Fish KcJason1's Avatar


     

    Re: What am I doing wrong?! (butane lighter issues)

    Take the xikar to any dealer.. They must replace it on the spot per xikar dealer rules!

    But as far as filling them. You should only need to add fuel 1-2 times tops before their tanks are full.
    If you have to ask, It's probably fake!

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    Architeuthis dux anonobomber's Avatar


     

    Re: What am I doing wrong?! (butane lighter issues)

    Quote Originally Posted by Aninjaforallseasons View Post
    Perhaps the rest will help, I haven't done that. Ill give it a go, then if that doesn't work, I'll start taking it apart! Dunno how to get a Ronson apart, so I'll pray the rest in between purges and filling works!!!

    Anyone know if the cold affects performance?
    Cold definitely affects performance of a lighter. Most of the time I smoke I'm out in my hot tub and it's pretty cold out lately so my lighters quit working after being out there for about 15 minutes. To get them working again I hold the reservoir portion of the lighter under the warm water for 15-30 seconds and it brings them back to life. If you've been smoking out in the weather we've been having then you're going to have an issue. When you're not using the lighter keep it in your pocket so it stays warm and then you shouldn't have an issue.

    Butane in a lighter works in much the same way as water works. It's going to evaporate much more effectively at a higher temperature. The lower the temperature the lower the vapor pressure and vice versa. Without the higher vapor pressure you have nothing to drive out the butane through the burner on your lighter so there's no fuel to cause the flame.

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    Full grown Puffer Fish Don_in_Texas's Avatar


     

    Re: What am I doing wrong?! (butane lighter issues)

    I was having pretty much the same problem with one of my lighters. It's one of those big, clunky, Lotus table models. Burst of flame, then nothing. I was thinking it was clogged, but it turned out that it just didn't like the nozzle adapter that I was using. I ended up having to just fill it without using an adapter at all. I get a little gas escaping around the nozzle while filling it, but it mostly goes into the fuel tank. No problems after that. One way you could tell if the fuel is actually going into the tank is to try purging it shortly after you fill it. If hardly any gas comes back out then you'll know that you're not getting fuel into the tank.

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    Elder Puffer Fish Leader MarkC's Avatar


     

    Re: What am I doing wrong?! (butane lighter issues)

    Quote Originally Posted by Qball View Post
    Are you adjusting the flow on the bottom? There should be a little screw or knob with an arrow indiciating + one way, and - the other way

    Always fill with it set all the way to '-' (lowest flame setting)
    This is the step I was skipping when I had this problem with my Old Boy pipe lighter; works great now.
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    Huge Puffer Fish packed with spikes Hannibal's Avatar


     

    Re: What am I doing wrong?! (butane lighter issues)

    It sounds to me that you have the flame either to high or to low. If you get the burst and then nothing it would seem to me that it's to low. So look at the bottom of the lighter and turn the screw a little bit in the direction of the "+" and it should do better. If not turn it some more. Use little increments don't just go for wide open right off the bat.

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    Leading Puffer Fish ShortFuse's Avatar


     

    Re: What am I doing wrong?! (butane lighter issues)

    Derek, yes temperature does effect the lighters. Try keeping it in your pocket so it is a little warmer than the ambient temp.
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    Don't Thread On Me asmartbull's Avatar


     

    Re: What am I doing wrong?! (butane lighter issues)

    The is also a chance that the way you are purging could be the problem.
    Get a WOOD skewer or something similar and depress the filler valve....wait a few seconds and repeat.
    Wood is important because it won't change the shape of the nozzle..



    The fact that is is happening to all you lighters makes me think "user error"........Purging is often the problem.
    It is also a good idea to put the lighter and bottle of butane in the fig for 15 minutes before filling....
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    THE MAN WHO LOVES TWANG! TonyBrooklyn's Avatar


     

    Re: What am I doing wrong?! (butane lighter issues)

    Click on this link the next to last post is by a former member.
    Fueling a Blazer
    We are not allowed to mention banned members names. If you do a search under his name he has posted many times a great way to fill lighters that is foolproof. So good is the technique that i emptied out my draw once filled according to his post. They all started working.
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    Leading Puffer Fish jimbo1's Avatar


     

    Re: What am I doing wrong?! (butane lighter issues)

    lighter and butane in the frig? have not heard of that, will try, do you purge then put in frig then fill? is that the order? I really only use Ronsen lighters, I'd can afford to lose a $3 lighter.......thanks for the tips.
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    Evolving Lead Puffer Fish


     

    Re: What am I doing wrong?! (butane lighter issues)

    Lighter in frig/freezer to drop the internal pressure allowing the gas butane to more readly return to a liquid state. (allows for greater volume of butane to be in the lighters tank.) Lighter flame height set to lowest setting. Lighter nozzle pointing UP. Butane tank at least room temp, allowing a higher internal supply pressure. (this helps to force as much butane into the lower pressured lighter tank as possible.) Fill with tank nozzle pointing DOWN. Allow to warm to room/body temp, adjust flame to mid point on adjuster.
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    Demented LOB Bunny MaxTheBunny's Avatar


     

    Re: What am I doing wrong?! (butane lighter issues)

    Hey Derek. IVe got your answer for the butanes at least. Both ronson and xikar make horrible butane. Get vector. Once you do , do the following

    1) purge your lighters by pressing the nossle. Even after the first time wait a minute or two and purge again. Repeat this process until you no longer here e hiss of purging after waiting a few minutes.
    2 use vector to fill the lighter. Once full you will see the vector can spray at the nozzle. Is is normal. To be sure press down a few more times to try and get any air bubbles out and butane in
    3 let lighter sit at room temp for 10 mins. If you don't wait oh could have problems because the butane isn't stable

    The biggest thing is to not use ronson or xikar

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