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Cohiba v. Faux-hiba

This is a discussion on Cohiba v. Faux-hiba within the Cigar Pictures forums, part of the The Gallery category; I recently received a gift of "authentic" Cuban cigars from a friend. I had my suspicions of them being fakes ...

  
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    Full grown Puffer Fish SilverStreak's Avatar


     

    Cohiba v. Faux-hiba

    I recently received a gift of "authentic" Cuban cigars from a friend. I had my suspicions of them being fakes which were later confirmed courtesy of Puff. The suspect CoRo is presented here next to an authentic CoRo, courtesy of a very generous BOTL, @bpegler . While I'm hardly a cigar expert and a complete CC rookie, I'm curious to learn more about my hobby. Having no idea what I'll find inside and only a general idea of cigar construction, I hope this sheds some light on the topic of fakes. For your viewing pleasure, here's a side by side comparison.

    Observe, the fake pictured below does not come even close to the actual CoRo format. I measured over a 1/4" difference in length between the two. You can also see the very obvious difference in wrapper and workmanship. Fingerprints of glue covered fingers are obvious as are the poorly wrapped seams.


    Next, we have a closer looks at the bands. The authentic CoRo's band is carefully applied and fits snugly on the cigar. The fake is unevenly applied with excessive amounts of glue. The band of the fake also sports a glossier finish compared to the authentic one. You can also see a very apparent difference in the sheen and oil levels between the two.


    Looking at the caps, the level of quality becomes painstakingly clear. The double cap which looks like it was applied with elmers glue pales in comparison to the neat triple cap of the real CoRo. The cap on our Faux-hiba is uneven and lacks a uniform shape.


    The foot of each cigar also draws attention to workmanship. The authentic CoRo displays a nice even pack and a slight squeeze confirms even construction throughout the entire stick. Our fake CoRo has a spongy foot but also a rock hard spot near the top of the stick. You can see the difference in the filler already. A whif of each also reveals a difference with a sweet tobacco smell versus almost no scent at all which leads me to believe that our fake has had plenty of time to dry out.


    That's my pictorial for now. I'll be soaking the fake cigar in water for the next hour or two while I get some reading done. If anyone wants me to take a particular pic, just chime in. Otherwise, stay tuned to find out how this baby looks like on the inside.
    Torpedo, torpedo, torpedo!!

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    Elder Puffer Fish Leader piperdown's Avatar


     

    Re: Cohiba v. Faux-hiba

    Glad Bobs package arrived safely and you get a chance to try a real one.
    Excellent pictures too!

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    Re: Cohiba v. Faux-hiba

    Cool side-by-side!

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    Full grown Puffer Fish SilverStreak's Avatar


     

    Re: Cohiba v. Faux-hiba

    And now for the other half of the pictorial. The fake was soaked in water for about an hour to help with the dissection process. While waiting for the cigar to soak, I snapped a picture of the fake band against a real band. IMHO, this band isn't the worst fake in the world. Without the cigars, I probably wouldn't have been able to tell you which one is authentic. Of course any experts are welcome to point out the differences for us.


    Here is our fake ready to be dismantled. The cap and wrapper are ready to peel right off.


    Right when the cap comes off, the cigar reveals itself to be only single capped and sloppily put together.


    Wrapper and cap are now off, now to pull the binder. The wrapper is heavily veined.


    The binder comes off in 3 pieces, each of them a different size and shape. The leaves don't look like they were cut in the same method, each has several holes, and one of the pieces actually has a hefty stem running down it.


    Without the binder holding what's left of the cigar together, the thing disintegrates into a mess of short filler. Bits, pieces, shards, you name it, it's in there. Going through the mess, I find more stems attached to some medium filler sized leafs.


    The full autopsy below. In the upper left hand, the wrapper and cap. On the far right, the binder that came off in several odd pieces, and in the corner, a mountain of spare parts of tobacco leaf.


    Overall, I was half expecting to find grass inside of this thing. I have yet to dissect a premium cigar so I have no other point of reference to compare this to. With that in mind, my findings were that this "CoRo" is a far far cry from anything I'd want to smoke. My understanding is that both the binder and filler in premium cigars is cut uniformly from high quality leaf and rolled together; not folded together like this one. I think the evidence speaks for itself. I hope that this post is in someway informative or helpful to anyone who's wondered or had questions about CC fakes. Hope you enjoyed the show!
    Torpedo, torpedo, torpedo!!

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    Off to Cigar bum. com jhedrick83's Avatar


     

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    Very nice deconstruction. Always looking to learn more.

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    Puffer Fish with some spikes JeepGuy's Avatar


     

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    Very informative post! Being a complete noob, i hope if/when i'm presented the opportunity to purchase a cuban, maybe when i'm out of the country i'll be able to use my puff brothers advise and tips as guidance.

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    Elder Puffer Fish Leader fuente~fuente's Avatar


     

    Re: Cohiba v. Faux-hiba

    Very interesting thread... Thanks for the pics
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    Young Puffer Fish Jay_Rich's Avatar


     

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    Very Interesting! I have a few fakes here and should do the same, at least your fack's label looks close. Mine isnt even close!

    Jay

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    Re: Cohiba v. Faux-hiba

    Well done, mate, and very Interesting! Ring Gauge for you

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    Elder Puffer Fish Leader piperdown's Avatar


     

    Re: Cohiba v. Faux-hiba

    Again, excellent job in breaking down a fake with top quality photos!

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    Smoking Volunteer bpegler's Avatar


     

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    Excellent thread, great pictures. The cap is always a dead give away...
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    Re: Cohiba v. Faux-hiba

    Quote Originally Posted by SilverStreak View Post
    I have yet to dissect a premium cigar so I have no other point of reference to compare this to. With that in mind, my findings were that this "CoRo" is a far far cry from anything I'd want to smoke.
    Open the authentic one. It's the only way to make any conclusions.

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    Puffer Fish with many spikes nfusion770's Avatar


     

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    Thanks for doing that- very interesting to take a look at what's inside. I can't tell the band apart either, but so far I find the darker wrappers and the caps the biggest give away. The glue mess didn't help either.
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    I'm totally serious, dude B-daddy's Avatar


     

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    Not just a fake but a very poor quality/poorly made fake. The construction/appearance of most $2 website smokes are much better quality than this cigar. The gluestains and cap are comical. Nice effort on your part. Good thread.
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    Full grown Puffer Fish SilverStreak's Avatar


     

    Re: Cohiba v. Faux-hiba

    Glad some of you were able to take back something from this thread. It was actually quite fun taking that thing apart. In the near future, I'll take apart a nice NC just to evaluate differences in construction and materials. It'd be enlightening to know how a good cigar is put together aside from just evaluating the outside of it.
    Torpedo, torpedo, torpedo!!

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