Leaf Identification

[Roger Miller"]

Below is an excerpt from a review here at CS. When I read this a while back I was not sure what to make of it. After a while it was still bothering me, so I PM’d a fellow magilla, whose knowledge I respect, and asked for their take on the matter. Well, they had about the same reaction I did, “…either that person really has a lot of experience with cigars & tobacco leaves in general, or he just know how to talk a tall tale.”

So I am curious what the forum may have to say about this. Also, if anybody can actually do this, can I get take a class?


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This pirimide had a beautiful rosy wrapper, with a beautiful tooth to it. It had a beautiful silky feel to it, stretched eversoslightly near the tip. The foot has a little bit of liegero extant, maybe two leaves worth. It seems to have a leaf or two of seco, and two to three more of volado."

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[LeafHog]

Sherlock Holmes could identify a cigar by its ash. Of course, that was fiction and I suspect this is also. Perhaps if you unrolled the cigar someone with a lot of experience could identify individual leaves, but I doubt you could just by looking at the foot.

It also seems that the reviewer was using this as a marketing tool to set up a group buy of these cigars. Just my opinion, but I think this is crap.

Hog

[pinoyman]

Originally Posted by Roger Miller"

Below is an excerpt from a review here at CS. When I read this a while back I was not sure what to make of it. After a while it was still bothering me, so I PM’d a fellow magilla, whose knowledge I respect, and asked for their take on the matter. Well, they had about the same reaction I did, “…either that person really has a lot of experience with cigars & tobacco leaves in general, or he just know how to talk a tall tale.”

So I am curious what the forum may have to say about this. Also, if anybody can actually do this, can I get take a class?


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"Visual

This pirimide had a beautiful rosy wrapper, with a beautiful tooth to it. It had a beautiful silky feel to it, stretched eversoslightly near the tip. The foot has a little bit of liegero extant, maybe two leaves worth. It seems to have a leaf or two of seco, and two to three more of volado."

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Hola!
He Must be good that by just looking at the foot, He knows how much ligeros, Seco and Volado in the Binder!
And that is not easy Amigo!

[Nely]

I was wondering the same thing Roger. I agree with leafhog.

[pinoyman]

And whith that Cigar knowledge, He should know how to spell Piramides IMHO



PS. Is that the original post?

[croatan]

Sounds like to me. Plus, given that he posted the same review on at least two other boards to set up his deal (not to mention his rep on those other boards), I'm not inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[SeanGAR]

Ligero will generally be darker and rolled in the center of the cigar. The seco and volado should vary in their color, everything else being equal.

But it seems to me that unless you are certain that the fermentations were conducted the same, that you can't be certain by looking at a leaf's color where it came from in the plant. If he dissected the cigar and looked at leaf thickness or some other parameters then I think he'd have a better chance of being sure.

When I pulled cigars apart, I do notice differences in color & thickness of the leaves with ligero being obviously darker and thicker. Seco and volado I'm sure also differ but I really haven't dissected enough cigars to be able to point to a leaf and cry " de seco ... boss... de seco...".

But given this guy's track record here, I'm inclined to suggest BS .. just because.

[Roger Miller"]

Originally Posted by pinoyman

PS. Is that the original post?

Yes. http://www.clubstogie.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10336

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[Scott M]

Relatively speaking, I'm on the up part of the cigar knowledge curve. I read the reviews just like everyone else, written by people for whom cigars are their job, and I've never, ever, seen these terms used when describing a visual inpsection of a sample.

I'd like to think this little hobby can be that intricate, but sorry...the BS meter is approaching the red zone on this one.

My 2 centavos.

S.

[singlguy9]

that guy is full of

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[MoTheMan]

Originally Posted by Roger Miller"

Yes. http://www.clubstogie.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10336

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That explains it!

Must either have a very experienced, discerning eye, or otherwise .

[Da Klugs]

For what its worth

You guys hopefully remember the flaming this guy got last week as an "accused" profiteer. He is also on the "Scumbag List" for that very accusation. There were varying opinions in the two threads from scumbag to just a regular type of process.

Hey maybe he's just that good and the suspicions and allegations from elsewhere are unfounded. No one accused him of "Group buying" fakes or not delivering the goods. Just that he was trolling with reviews then making money (accusations) on the excitement in the "split".

Thought he might have spoken up in his own defense since then. The silence has been deafening.

[Roger Miller"]

Yes, i do remember the cloud that swarmed around keydet. But that, to me, was another issue. Since i read that review i have been studying the end of my cigars before lighting them. I can see variation in them, but i do not know if it is the blend, or what this guy was describing.

Hey, i'm up for learning anything about cigars. Even if it comes from someone of unproven character.

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[Da Klugs]

Originally Posted by Roger Miller"

Yes, i do remember the cloud that swarmed around keydet. But that, to me, was another issue. Since i read that review i have been studying the end of my cigars before lighting them. I can see variation in them, but i do not know if it is the blend, or what this guy was describing.

Hey, i'm up for learning anything about cigars. Even if it comes from someone of unproven character.

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rm

OK well then let me share some knowledge....

[SeanGAR]

Originally Posted by Roger Miller"

I can see variation in them, but i do not know if it is the blend, or what this guy was describing.

rm

Roger,
There are pictures here of some cigars that I dissected. You can see the leaves are different, especially perhaps best in the Piranha picture. The almost black leaf was thick and very aromatic...no doubt it was a ligero. The two darkest leaves in the LGCR5 were not as black as the CAO. Were they ligero too? I assume so, because they were also rolled in the middle. I test burned some of the leaves to see if the ostensible ligero burned slower and it was hard to tell. Seemed to, but that certainly was my expectation and since I didn't have an independent way to quanitify burn, I made no conclusions.

http://www.clubstogie.com/vb/showthr...&highlight=CSI