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Homeless Veterans

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    The Other Doctor Scardinoz's Avatar


     

    Homeless Veterans

    I'm not sure if this is the right place to put this. Mods, if I am out of place, please assist.

    I got into a discussion with my wife about how many veterans are homeless and the different reasons why. She asked me how bad the problem really was so I looked it up. I was shocked.

    Although flawless counts are impossible to come by – the transient nature of homeless populations presents a major difficulty – VA estimates that 107,000 veterans are homeless on any given night.
    Nearly half of homeless veterans served during the Vietnam era. Two-thirds served our country for at least three years, and one-third were stationed in a war zone.
    At this point I want to make a distinction between being deployed to a war zone and being stationed in a war zone. Being deployed to a war zone means you are being sent out from your station to a war zone for a period ranging anywhere from 6-15 months. Being stationed in a war zone means that war zone will be your station and your home for 2-3 years. Anyone who has BTDT feel free to correct me.

    Being stationed in a war zone is the epitome of suck.

    About 1.5 million other veterans, meanwhile, are considered at risk of homelessness due to poverty, lack of support networks, and dismal living conditions in overcrowded or substandard housing.
    Guys, we give a lot of love to our troops currently serving. That is great. Next time you send cigars to the troops, consider dropping $20 for the guys that served for you who are getting pretty cold this time of year.

    National Coalition for Homeless Veterans - Make a Donation
    Let's have a spelling contest.

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    THE MAN WHO LOVES TWANG! TonyBrooklyn's Avatar


     

    Re: Homeless Veterans

    It's a damn shame after all they did for this country. I posted a thread right around Christmas. About a homeless Veteran that found a wallet with a couple of hundred dollars. He returned it to the owner and refused a reward. He had children that went without Christmas presents. He was is a class act!!!!!!
    Take a minute thank a vet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    “When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.”
    Jimi Hendrix



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    Re: Homeless Veterans

    This hits home for me as well, I was talking with one of the troops Vincent whose dad was Nam like my brothers and we discussed how it effected them and how close they came to losing it. It's a damn shame how they were treated. I did hear the VA and such is getting better but that's all two party talk.

    Did you or anyone vett or check out this organization? if so I'm obviously in as I always have been. I would want to know overhead, salaries of the execs ect...how they help!

    That's why I always give to the Salvation Army almost every dime goes to helping those in need.

    LMK and Thanks

    Dave

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    THE MAN WHO LOVES TWANG! TonyBrooklyn's Avatar


     

    Re: Homeless Veterans

    [QUOTE=smelvis;3077172]This hits home for me as well, I was talking with one of the troops Vincent whose dad was Nam like my brothers and we discussed how it effected them and how close they came to losing it. It's a damn shame how they were treated. I did hear the VA and such is getting better but that's all two party talk.

    Did you or anyone vett or check out this organization? if so I'm obviously in as I always have been. I would want to know overhead, salaries of the execs ect...how they help!

    That's why I always give to the Salvation Army almost every dime goes to helping those in need.

    LMK and Thanks

    I like you had many friends that served in Nam damn shame the way they were treated. I had a dear friend that died from Agent Orange. He flew the helicopter missions that dumped it on the brush. I can only imagine how the poor boys on the ground got sick. Anyways i always give when i hear the man ringing the bell!
    “When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.”
    Jimi Hendrix



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    Re: Homeless Veterans

    [QUOTE=TonyBrooklyn;3077179]
    Quote Originally Posted by smelvis View Post
    This hits home for me as well, I was talking with one of the troops Vincent whose dad was Nam like my brothers and we discussed how it effected them and how close they came to losing it. It's a damn shame how they were treated. I did hear the VA and such is getting better but that's all two party talk.

    Did you or anyone vett or check out this organization? if so I'm obviously in as I always have been. I would want to know overhead, salaries of the execs ect...how they help!

    That's why I always give to the Salvation Army almost every dime goes to helping those in need.

    LMK and Thanks

    I like you had many friends that served in Nam damn shame the way they were treated. I had a dear friend that died from Agent Orange. He flew the helicopter missions that dumped it on the brush. I can only imagine how the poor boys on the ground got sick. Anyways i always give when i hear the man ringing the bell!

    Me to bro always in person, always!! I even have a spare room if I just knew someone. the damn trust part gets involved but it's a waste sitting empty. my brother thought he had agent orange but it was never confirmed, I just tear up thinking about them F**kers spitting on him all of them.

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    THE MAN WHO LOVES TWANG! TonyBrooklyn's Avatar


     

    Re: Homeless Veterans

    [QUOTE=smelvis;3077185]
    Quote Originally Posted by TonyBrooklyn View Post


    Me to bro always in person, always!! I even have a spare room if I just knew someone. the damn trust part gets involved but it's a waste sitting empty. my brother thought he had agent orange but it was never confirmed, I just tear up thinking about them F**kers spitting on him all of them.
    Those bastages in congress they cheated my friend Bobby Frazo's wife and kids out of the 50,000 dollar death benefit. I always have a spot for a vet no matter what. On Christmas eve no matter who you are and if your a Vet you can always secure a meal and a place to stay at my house. That's the way my father taught us and that's the way it is!
    “When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.”
    Jimi Hendrix



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    Re: Homeless Veterans

    [QUOTE=TonyBrooklyn;3077194]
    Quote Originally Posted by smelvis View Post

    Those bastages in congress they cheated my friend Bobby Frazo's wife and kids out of the 50,000 dollar death benefit. I always have a spot for a vet no matter what. On Christmas eve no matter who you are and if your a Vet you can always secure a meal and a place to stay at my house. That's the way my father taught us and that's the way it is!
    Whats for dinner??

    On a more serious note the VA does have a Domicial program for homeless vets, but there are rules that most people would not wish to follow and if you break those rules theyll escort you to the front gate with all your stuff and not give a damn where you go.

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    THE MAN WHO LOVES TWANG! TonyBrooklyn's Avatar


     

    Re: Homeless Veterans

    [QUOTE=rob51461;3077246]
    Quote Originally Posted by TonyBrooklyn View Post

    Whats for dinner??

    On a more serious note the VA does have a Domicial program for homeless vets, but there are rules that most people would not wish to follow and if you break those rules theyll escort you to the front gate with all your stuff and not give a damn where you go.
    Tonight its slow simmered gravy with pasta and meatballs been cooking 5 hours. All vets welcome any day of the year. Regular folks i don't know you gotta come Christmas Eve!
    “When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.”
    Jimi Hendrix



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    At last I can relax veteranvmb's Avatar


     

    Re: Homeless Veterans

    We had the same problem after Viet Nam. You heard about the huge homeless problem in the u.s. in the seventies and eighties.
    A huge bulk of this homeless population were combat veterans. They cam back with as we know now as pts or with drug habits, or now darn skills to do anything and just left out to dry.
    No one wanted to hire us, or rent us an apartment, our separation pay was spent, and we wound up on the street.
    Same thing is happening now. See how many homeless in the winter time are wearing their bdu, tops with their names on it.
    I knew a few of these, and one of these were one of my contemparies. He was a corporal and a great guy.His name was Bob(Robert). Played guitar and had the voice of an angel. Loved to play dylan, and new riders, poco, etc.
    He went back to live with his parents, but his mind was going. He started to live in the woods near woodstock, new york, and would come to see me once in a while, and he had become delusional. We got him a job as an orderly in a hospital, but couldnt keep it, and just drifted a way.
    I wish I was a bit stronger back then, and did more, but I already had major responsibilites of my own. (Very ill parents).
    No one seems to know what ever happened to him, but I know he was not going to get better, he was gone in his mind.
    I am not saying the war made him this way, he was always a bit off, but a good friend, loved having a beer and a slice of pizza, would obey orders he didnt like, but I think the things he saw put him over the edge.

    I still think of him now and then. He was a good friend. I remember spending entire evenings in chinatown hanging out with him and drinking tea all night. He loved his shrimp in lobster sauce, and sitting in the restaurant, he was almost normal for that time.
    Thats all I have to say on this matter.

    Jerry

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    The Other Doctor Scardinoz's Avatar


     

    Re: Homeless Veterans

    This organization is legit.

    Read their Wiki for more information, including their current ambitious goal to virtually eradicate homelessness amongst veterans by, I believe, 2014.
    National Coalition for Homeless Veterans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Let's have a spelling contest.

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    At last I can relax veteranvmb's Avatar


     

    Re: Homeless Veterans

    Just as an addendum, theres a song by Johnny Cash, that pretty much sums up , some of us veterans lives. This one is very close to me, and my feelings.

    "Drive On"

    I got a friend named Whiskey Sam
    He was my boonierat buddy for a year in Nam
    He said is my country just a little off track
    Took 'em twenty-five years to welcome me back
    But, it's better than not coming back at all
    Many a good man
    I saw fall And even now,
    every time I dream I hear the men
    and the monkeys in the jungle scream

    Drive on, don't mean nothin'
    My children love me , but they don't understand
    And I got a woman who knows her man
    Drive on, don't mean nothin', drive on

    I remember one night,
    Tex and me Rappelled in on a hot L.Z.
    We had our 16's on rock and roll
    But, with all that fire,
    was scared and cold
    We were crazy, we were wild
    And I have seen the tiger smile
    I spit in a bamboo viper's face
    And I'd be dead , but by God's grace

    Drive on, don't mean nothin'
    My children love me, but they don't understand
    And I got a woman who knows her man
    Drive on, don't mean nothin', drive on

    It was a real slow walk in a real sad rain
    And nobody tried to be John Wayne
    I came home, but Tex did not
    And I can't talk about the hit he got
    I got a little limp now when
    I walk Got a little tremolo when
    I talk But my letter read from Whiskey Sam
    You're a walkin' talkin' miracle from Vietnam

    Drive on, don't mean nothin'
    My children love me, but they don't understand
    And I got a woman who knows her man
    Drive on, don't mean nothin', drive on


    Much regards and driving on till the end. Jerry


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