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[mugen910]

My last contribution to this thread for a while I suppose.


The first hour was riveting! So glad to see Penny... I had forgotten about her search. Just a quickie before I have to leave. I'll probably have something else next week and will continue over the long break when there are new theories or just to send out refreshers.

Here are some things I have found:

1. Kate's phone call in the middle of the night. It was a man saying "The island needs you. You have to go back before its too late." Then Claire appeared to her saying "Don't you DARE take him back there!"

2. Miles and Charlotte. Miles knows a lot. He knew that Charlotte has been looking for this island for a long time. She thinks it was her birthplace. Could she be related to Ben's childhood friend Annie (just thinking of the curly hair)?

3. Last season Desmond had a vision of Claire getting ON the helicopter with Aaron, but that Charlie had to die to make it come true. Was Desmond's vision wrong, like when he had a vision that Penny was the parachutist, but then it turned out to be Naomi? Maybe Aaron has yet to get on the helicopter? Maybe they all go back to the island and eventually Claire gets on a helicopter with her son? Technically, we don't know what the hell is going on with Claire right now...

4. Jeremy Bentham is not only John Lockes new name it is also the name of the philosopher John Locke's biggest advocate. Here is a little bit about him: Jeremy Bentham (15 February 1748-6 June 1832) was an English jurist, philosopher, and legal and social reformer. He was a political radical, and a leading theorist in Anglo-American philosophy of law. He is best known for his advocacy of utilitarianism, for the concept of animal rights, and his opposition to the idea of natural rights, with his oft-quoted statement that the idea of such rights is "nonsense upon stilts." He also influenced the development of welfarism.

5. Jeremy Bentham's Panopticon http://loststudies.com/1.2/discipline.html

6. I loved when Hurley said "Checkmate Mr. Eko."

7. The Orchid Station orientation video mentioned the Casimir Effect. Here is a bit about how it relates to time and space:
"Exotic matter with negative energy density is required to stabilize a wormhole. Morris, Thorne and Yurtsever pointed out that the quantum mechanics of the Casimir effect can be used to produce a locally mass-negative region of space-time, and suggested that negative effect could be used to stabilize a wormhole to allow faster than light travel."

8. The flight attendant and the kids were not with the group of Others.

9. The extended footage of the press conference revealed that the survivors said that Libby, Boone, Charlie survived the crash, but died later. I believe the survivors made this up to help Kate's case... she took care of them, has a baby, therefore she cannot possibly be sent to jail! I think it was to help establish her credibility.

10. My own personal theory... Ben has got to get everyone back to the island and there will be a "course correction" (remember the jewelry store lady who spoke to Desmond). Maybe once they all get back time loops back to when they were all there at the crash and now a new future will take place. Something like that. There are just too many references to time loops and such.

[rack04]

Originally Posted by MadAl

Anyone know if the alternate endings are posted yet?

I haven't found them but I heard that on Good Morning America they showed them. One with Jack in the coffin and one with Sawyer.

[rack04]

Originally Posted by mugen910

8. The flight attendant and the kids were not with the group of Others.

I'm lost on this point. What flight attendant and kids?

[mugen910]

Originally Posted by rack04

I'm lost on this point. What flight attendant and kids?

Remember the first times they were traveling through the island and one of them vanished....we later saw her with the "Others." The children were common theme in the first season because the writers had us think that the kids were the "Others" At one point I thought it was Adults vs Kids. Think back to one episode when I think Michael was hiding behind bushes on the dirt and we saw kid's feet with a teddy bear being dragged.

[jbudlives]

Its rumored that Josh Holloway (Sawyer) will be playing Gambit in a new x-men movie.

Oh, The "Kenny Rogers" line in the finale was sawyer's most hilarious moment of the season. Very Funny

[MadAl]

Originally Posted by rack04

I haven't found them but I heard that on Good Morning America they showed them. One with Jack in the coffin and one with Sawyer.

Just saw it on the GMA site, it was Sawyer and Desmond

[mugen910]

Originally Posted by jbudlives

Its rumored that Josh Holloway (Sawyer) will be playing Gambit in a new x-men movie.

Oh, The "Kenny Rogers" line in the finale was sawyer's most hilarious moment of the season. Very Funny

[jbudlives]

Originally Posted by mugen910

Did you miss it?? Sawyer calls Lapidus "Kenny Rogers" in his usual sarcastic nickname way.

[mugen910]

Ah...sorry I musta missed it...Maybe I'll watch it over again this weekend..gotta lubs de interznedz

[craigchilds]

Originally Posted by rack04

I'm lost on this point. What flight attendant and kids?

The flight attendant was Cindy. She was in the tail section of the plane and was abducted somewhere near the beginning of Season 2. The two kids were also passengers in the tail section of the plane; they survived the crash but their parents did not.

[mugen910]

ok I lied, this is my last LOST post!

1. In the season finale from last year drunken, bearded Jack was looking at phone records. Now we know why. He was verifying Claire's Mom's story about why Christian was in Australia.

2. The Orchid Station orientation video stopped and started to rewind at 3:05. The number 305 is the bearing to get to and from the island without suffering negative effects, or time differences. 3:05 was also on Eko's "Jesus stick" - with the "Lift your eyes to the north" passage and "John 3:05"... which is what led Locke to the Flame Hatch. (see attached photo)

3. Remember that in the Orchid Station orientation video Dr. Halliwax said that "for the briefest set of moments the animal will seem to disappear, but in reality.... " So, maybe the island didn't really disappear or move, but just seemed to. We just don't know what "in reality" means...

4. Is Lost's Island Electromagnetic Enough to Move Itself Through Space? Time-Travel Expert Says It's Not Impossible

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blog...15.html?series
5. Physicist: Einstein Would Approve of Moving the Island on Lost

How did Ben make the island "disappear" in last night's season finale? It's all relativity, argues a top professor who even uses Lost in his classes. Wormholes, 305-degree bearings, the Casimir effect-it all checks out with quantum mechanics, and could explain a lot for next season.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...h/4266329.html

The article:

Last night on Lost, Ben moved the island-presumably thousands of miles. Could he actually do that, without huge accelerations that would obliterate all structures and kill all the people on the island? The surprising answer, in physics, is yes ... sort of. The trick is that you don't really move the island. Rather, you change its space-time connection to the rest of the Earth.

Space and time in relativity theory are quite flexible. Gravity is one manifestation of that. According to Einstein's discovery, the presence of mass-energy warps space-time; what we perceive as gravity is just the curvature of space-time. That's the Theory of General Relativity, now firmly established by experimental tests. The strange behavior of time and space (the fact that two twins traveling apart can experience different amounts of time, for example) are verified daily in our physics labs, using radioactive particles rather than twins. I've verified this myself.

Here's a simple example of how you can change distances without moving. The distance between the Sun and Alpha-Centauri is about 4.3 light years. If a small black hole passed in between, the gravitational effects on the two stars would be negligible-yet the direct line distance between the two would become infinite. The two stars haven't moved; rather, you have changed the nature of space in the in-between region. The black hole has an infinitely deep space warp surrounding it. Of course, if you want to travel between the two stars, just go around-avoid the black hole.

Perhaps you've read about wormholes, those theoretical objects in current relativity theory. We don't know of any that exist, but they do appear to be possible. Physicists love to play with the concept. They can connect two parallel universes, or two parts of a folded universe. (A folded universe has three special dimensions that are curved in a fourth special dimension.)

To make physics sense of the movement of the island in Lost, I assume that the island is actually connected to the South Pacific by a wormhole-like warp in space-time. (It doesn't have to be a simple worm hole; it could be a warren of parallel and intersecting tubes.) Then, to move the island, all you have to do is move the wormhole connection, not the island itself. That's what I think Ben did. He changed the nature of the space-time connection between the island and the rest of the world.

So the island didn't disappear. It didn't even move. Imagine that you are visiting a small town that you used to visit when you were young. You drive for miles, and never come to it. But it turns out the town has not moved. Rather, the highway now goes around it. That's what Ben did-he changed the highway.

If this is right, it explains the role of Daniel Faraday, the physicist. From the references on his blackboard, and his experiments with space-time, it's clear he understands advanced relativity and quantum mechanics. He insists on traveling to and from the island on a precise trajectory of 305 degrees-perhaps to stay in the center of the wormhole, which is sort of like the eye of the needle. Stay within the eye, and you're okay-but any deviation wreaks havoc on your space-time (especially for a complex wormhole), thus accounting for Desmond's strange excursions in space and time.

I'm guessing if you have a real wormhole, it would have a structure like a sponge, and if you wander off and get stuck in that space-time continuum, then all sorts of strange things would happen. What would happen would be unpredictable, just like scientists have a hard time predicting waves in the ocean or a candle flame in the breeze. Those things are just complicated.

The Season Four finale also makes reference to the Casimir Effect. This is a well known phenomenon in quantum mechanics, and has been measured experimentally. The Casimir effect is a consequence of the fact that the vacuum contains energy. Some people speculate that one could draw on this vacuum energy for an unlimited supply. I don't think so, but maybe I am wrong, and Ben has figured out a way to do that. I suspect that Ben, too, is a physicist-the one person who has figured out how to understand the connection between quantum theory and relativity, and to manipulate them-at least to some degree, just as he manipulates people. That's why Charles Widmore is so anxious to capture Ben alive. Only Ben really understands the physics.

Richard Muller is a professor of physics at the University of California at Berkeley who frequently cites Lost in class.
6. Time-Travel Expert: Lost Finale Opens New Trap Door in Space

After last night's mind-bending episode, it's a question only this heady physicist could answer: How do you move an island, then show up halfway across the world? Let's just say the Looking Glass has nothin' on Ben.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...h/4266335.html

The article:

Something very strange is going down on the island. People suddenly appear out of nowhere, then vanish. A doctor is found dead, a day before he is actually killed. And finally, the entire island itself suddenly vanishes into thin air.

With space and time turned into a pretzel every week, you know that this is not your ordinary Robinson Crusoe adventure. That's one reason why Lost has made addicts out of millions of loyal viewers-and why I've advised the Popular Mechanics team for their "Lost Watch" on more than one occasion.

In last night's season finale, a video tape finally reveals the most scientific secret behind the series. There is a top secret laboratory on the island, the Orchid Station, in which a "pocket of exotic matter" was discovered that has created a kind of "Casimir effect" that has warped "four dimensional space-time." But is this all Hollywood mumbo-jumbo? Actually, there's a kernel of truth to all this techno-babble.

A pocket of "exotic matter," if it exists, would have truly remarkable properties. First of all, it would fall up rather than down. It would have anti-gravitational properties, so that, if you held it in your hand, it would rise and float into outer space.

But remarkably, it might also rip the fabric of space and time. For example, both Shakespeare and Isaac Newton adopted the picture that all the world is a stage, and we are actors making our entrances and exits. But then Einstein showed that the stage of space and time is not empty and flat, but actually curved, so that any actor walking across the warped stage would feel a "force" (i.e. gravity) tugging it to the left and right, like a drunken sailor.

The new wrinkle on all of this is that exotic matter, if it exists, could allow for trap doors in the stage of space-time. People can suddenly fall through these trap doors and re-appear in a different space and time, like the characters on Lost (particularly Ben). These are "wormholes," or shortcuts through space-time. The simplest example of a wormhole would be Alice's "Looking Glass." Another example would be a folded sheet of paper: By punching a hole in the folded paper, you can show that a wormhole is the shortest distance between two points. (So the Orchid Station was probably built around a meteorite made of exotic matter that hit the island.)

But unlike exotic matter, negative energy has actually been created in the laboratory. It was first predicted to exist by Dutch physicist Hendrik Casimir in 1948, and actually measured in 1958. For example, two uncharged parallel metal plates would normally be stationary. This is a state of zero energy. But Casimir showed that quantum effects within the vacuum push the two plates together. Since you have extracted energy from a system with zero energy, you have created negative energy. However, the Casimir effect is very tiny; in the experiment, the force was only 1/30,000 the weight of an ant. So all the bizarre electromagnetic disturbances in Lost are due to somehow creating a large Casimir effect with electric plates.

But what would a wormhole machine that can bend space and time into a pretzel look like? It would be truly gigantic. First, you would need the equivalent of a black hole to create a hole in space, and then negative energy or exotic matter to stabilize the hole so it didn't collapse on itself. The amount of exotic matter necessary to build a time machine would be about the mass of Jupiter. So the machine, instead of moving just the island, might have unintended consequences, such as actually eating up the entire earth!

Michio Kaku is a professor of physics at the City University of New York and author of the book Physics of the Impossible.

[mugen910]

Some people think that the LOST island allows "do-overs" or a chance for the characters to redeem themselves. They also think that the characters will time-travel back to correct their past sins. In the spirit of this theory here is a list of different lines the characters have said all relating to "going back." At first I thought this seemed stupid but now that I look at the whole list I feel like it seems the writers are trying to tell us something...

Charlie: Go back? There? Kate, there's a certain gargantuan quality about this thing.

Boone: Sorry, it's just it don't see how you can still be following this trail. I think we should go back, man.

Sun: I want to go back to the beginning. Can't we... just start all over?

Shannon: I don't want to go back.

Jin: You, go back. I go.

Michael: What are you doing? Go back!

Jack: It's not too late to go back.

Gabriela (the patient's daughter that Jack almost had an affair with): Go back? Go back where? Home? Have you changed your mind, Jack?

Ethan: Charlie? Oh, he's fine. When we got far enough away from camp, I let him go back.

Libby: Ready to go back?

Ana-Lucia: Wait. Don't. Let's just get the hell out of Sydney. Let's just go, go back.

Christian: I can't ever go back. See ya, kiddo.

Bea Klugh: Go back. Your job is to tell the rest of your people they can never come here.

Sayid: Because once the fire is lit it will be too late to go back.

Desmond: Please...let me go back! Let me go back one more time. I'll do it right! I'll do it right this time! I'm sorry Penny! I'll change it! I'll change it...

Juliet: I'm gonna go back inside and make sure I didn't miss anything. I don't want to take that chance that we didn't cover our tracks.

Locke: You can go back now.

Sawyer: It means, Kate, there's always someone to go back for.

Ben: I will turn around...will go back to my people. You will turn around and go back to your people.

Hurley: Now it'll all be gone. Because they all think I'm dead. When we get rescued and I go back...I'm going to be free.

Charlotte: Go back? With all the fun I'm having here? No, I've got work to do.

Bernard: She said you could go back inside if you want to.

Kate: How dare you ask me to go back?

[jaharr]

mugen910, I just discovered this thread and love your posts -- keep up the great work!

[mugen910]

Thanks jaharr...I'll do my best during the hiatus.

[CigarGal]

He'll be back