Downfall

[LSU_Stogie]

Now, don't get the wrong Idea and think i'm a nazi or anything but Hitler intrigues me and so does any movie/book/writing about him, so this should come as no surprise when I want to go see this movie...done in german with subtitles to keep authenticity, it is about the last 12 days of Hitler's life when the russians were bearing in on him.

http://www.downfallthefilm.com/

Watch the trailer...

[JDO]

Saw this flick a few weeks ago. I thought it very interesting. Bruno Ganz did a great job conveying the frustrations the Hitler was facing within his own administration.
In a weird way you almost feel bad for him that everyone thinks he's crazy. (he most certainly was crazy though) He went from being loved and respected by his people to being thought a kook.
Kind of a depressing movie but a very interesting, especially if you are interested in WWII.

[Jeff]

I'm a WWII buff and am fascinated by Hitler as well. He was a very interesting character. I had a really good class here at PSU about the rise of the Nazi party. Its just amazing how a few charasmatic and brutal people were able to bring Germany out of the ashes of WWI.

Lets just be thankful he made those aweful strategic decisions the last couple years of the war.

[LSU_Stogie]

no one can deny what he did for a poverty stricken coutry being opressed by a set of countries constricrting their army and overall well being.

[steve12553]

Originally Posted by LSU_Stogie

no one can deny what he did for a poverty stricken coutry being opressed by a set of countries constricrting their army and overall well being.

Yeah, but never leave someone in charge who has no self esteem. They will find some else to be superior to.

[Neuromancer]

Originally Posted by JDO

...In a weird way you almost feel bad for him that everyone thinks he's crazy. (he most certainly was crazy though) He went from being loved and respected by his people to being thought a kook....

Your "kook" managed to murder over 12 million people in cold blood...I'd say that describing him as just a "kook" severely underestimates what was, in fact, a murderous madman...and don't forget the other "kook" of the times, Josef Stalin, who managed to murder 30 million of his own kinsmen...just think of it...two "kooks" who managed to kill 42 million people (42,000,000) between them...staggering...

[LSU_Stogie]

Originally Posted by Neuromancer

Your "kook" managed to murder over 12 million people in cold blood...I'd say that describing him as just a "kook" severely underestimates what was, in fact, a murderous madman...and don't forget the other "kook" of the times, Josef Stalin, who managed to murder 30 million of his own kinsmen...just think of it...two "kooks" who managed to kill 42 million people (42,000,000) between them...staggering...

I'm not going to even argue with you because it would be pointless, just let me say that ignorance is bliss.

Perhaps America should actually stop thinking about themselves for once and look deeper into what it is Hitler was thinking.

[Neuromancer]

Originally Posted by LSU_Stogie

I'm not going to even argue with you because it would be pointless, just let me say that ignorance is bliss.

Perhaps America should actually stop thinking about themselves for once and look deeper into what it is Hitler was thinking.

I wish I could make sense of both of your comments here, but I can't...dunno what's to argue about as it's hard to refute history, and I can't figure out what you mean about America looking into Hitler's thinking...I sincerely hope you're not suggesting that we become a nation of conquerors and genocidal lunatics?

[LSU_Stogie]

I'm saying that Americans tend to look at the cover of the book and automatically think poorly or greatly of a person instead of reading about them or researching what exactly this person was about...it is utter bullshit how naive this country is.

[JDO]

Originally Posted by Neuromancer

Your "kook" managed to murder over 12 million people in cold blood....

He's not my kook.

And what is the point of your post other than to restate 8th grade history??
Everyone knows what happened.

[TheSmokingHiker]

Originally Posted by LSU_Stogie

I'm not going to even argue with you because it would be pointless, just let me say that ignorance is bliss.

Perhaps America should actually stop thinking about themselves for once and look deeper into what it is Hitler was thinking.

Hitler was a terrible person who did terrible things. That has nothing to do with America. Oh, and by the way, are you trying to blame this on the Jews?

[LSU_Stogie]

Originally Posted by TheSmokingHiker

Hitler was a terrible person who did terrible things. That has nothing to do with America. Oh, and by the way, are you trying to blame this on the Jews?

No, not at all...

I admit he was a bad person but I still feel he was a genius in what he did with Germany...

[ComicBookFreak]

Originally Posted by Neuromancer

I sincerely hope you're not suggesting that we become a nation of conquerors and genocidal lunatics?

This post is not meant to insult or put down any race,religion, peoples. Just relaying some facts.

First off Hitler was mad,crazy and genocidal. I Hate Hitler and the things he done, but he was a genius and did alot for Germany. That doesn't make up for what he did.

But consider this. We allready are a nation of Conquerors and genocidal lunatics. Ask the Native americans about that. America did things to the Indians, but we just put them on reservations and forget them. Or the Spanish/mexicans that were slaughtered and run out of our country for the land. Oh and don't forget the African -Americans we treated them like poop,slaves, and killed many. Another fact was the alot of the slave trade was run by Portuguese and the Jewish slave traders. Then you have the Egyptians who made slaves of the Jews. Don't forget Attila the Hun he killed many also. Bosnia, genocide there too. How many did Alexander the Great kill? The Romans did thier share of conquering and killing. Guess the point I am trying to make is many countries were built on the plans or mad men who were conquerors and genocidal lunitics. Oh yeah left out Napoleon and I am sure many others. He who forgets history is doomed to repeat it. We should never forget any of these atrocities.

With Respect
CBF

[TheSmokingHiker]

Originally Posted by LSU_Stogie

I'm saying that Americans tend to look at the cover of the book and automatically think poorly or greatly of a person instead of reading about them or researching what exactly this person was about...it is utter bullshit how naive this country is.

Look, I backpack long distances. We are a rare breed. I dont do it because I love to walk. I do it to escape "America" so to speak. Hitler did terrible things and because of that, he was a terrible person. His actions were inexcusable, no matter what good he did for Germany. There is a reason that he wont be remembered for the good things he did. It is called the Holocaust.