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Whisky and cigars. Or whiskey, if you prefer.

This is a discussion on Whisky and cigars. Or whiskey, if you prefer. within the Food, Wine, & Spirits Forum forums, part of the Non Cigar Related Specialty Forums category; I fancied a quick smoke and a nice whisky tonight, so I've gone for a J. Fuego Origen Ltd Original ...

  
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    Maturing Puffer Fish Favvers's Avatar


     

    Whisky and cigars. Or whiskey, if you prefer.

    I fancied a quick smoke and a nice whisky tonight, so I've gone for a J. Fuego Origen Ltd Original and a glass of Lagavulin 12 (2009 bottling). Normally, I don't pair very peaty scotch with cigars as I think the best pairings work on contrast, unless you find a really good match.

    But the L12 is much sweeter and softer than Lagavulin 16 so I thought I'd give it a try. The L12 possibly lacks some of the complexity Lagavulin is famous for but it's a delicious scotch nonetheless. Some of the later releases have been harsher apparently - I haven't tried them - but this release works really well with this particular cigar.

    Origen Originals have a reputation of being pretty robust little smokes (I'd post links to some other puffers' excellent reviews but I can't yet!) which I totally agree with. The L12 has a lemony top note, and some briny, salted caramel flavours that contrast nicely with the hefty leather and spice of the cigar. The peat is there of course, but it's tamed enough so as not to fight the flavours of the cigar - more beach barbecue than pile of burning tyres. The result is a rounded mix of flavours which I think are totally complimentary. Caol Ila 12, which might be easier to get hold of, might give a similar result.

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    Puffer Fish with many spikes GoJohnnyGo's Avatar


     

    Re: Whisky and cigars. Or whiskey, if you prefer.

    Lagavulin 12 is one of the few Islay scotches,on my list, that I haven't gotten around to yet. I really want to grab a bottle because I love the 16 so much. I've also really been enjoying the cask strength stuff lately. Geez, I need to get on the ball with this. I do love coal ila 12. Thanks for making me thirsty.

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    Cask strength is the way to go! Try before you buy with the L12 I reckon. From what I've read, each year's release is quite different. The 2009 is mellow by Lagavulin standards but people seem to find the later ones pretty peaty. I love Caol Ila 12 too. It used to be quite widely available in the UK (like Ardbeg 10 and even Uigeadail) but it's online or specialist shops now.

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    Re: Whisky and cigars. Or whiskey, if you prefer.

    Smoking a Herrera Esteli and drinking Bulleit Rye. Really liking the pairing.
    Yeasty Airlocks And Carboys Full Of Ale!!

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    Puffer Fish with some spikes RocknRoll's Avatar


     

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    I just had an Excalibur Epicure with some 1792 Ridgemont Reserve.

    No thought involved in either the setting up or the execution on this pairing. Just enjoyed it for what it was ... me, a cigar and some bourbon.

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    Leading Puffer Fish ejewell's Avatar


     

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    I like your clarification on the nomenclature of beverages.
    Not a lot of people recognize a difference. Thumbs up.
    Rule #32. Enjoy the Little Things

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    Huge Puffer Fish packed with spikes Frodo's Avatar


     

    Re: Whisky and cigars. Or whiskey, if you prefer.

    I like Laga 16 with Padron '64 Maduros but generally prefer bourbon or rum to scotch when pairing...

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    Maturing Puffer Fish Favvers's Avatar


     

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    Quote Originally Posted by ejewell View Post
    I like your clarification on the nomenclature of beverages.
    Not a lot of people recognize a difference. Thumbs up.
    Whisky geek, that's my excuse! Of course it gets complicated as some US manufacturers use whisky to describe their bourbon and some make whiskey that's more akin to scotch but still call it whiskey. That's before you consider Ireland.

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    Re: Whisky and cigars. Or whiskey, if you prefer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frodo View Post
    I like Laga 16 with Padron '64 Maduros but generally prefer bourbon or rum to scotch when pairing...
    I'm the same. I rarely drink scotch with a cigar, which is why I thought I'd start this thread. I think it comes down to that sweetness that works so well with cigars that's more commonly associated with bourbon or rum. Some scotch is quite dry and best enjoyed alone. That said there are plenty of sweet malts and blends - I'm going to dig out some of my Speyside malts and see what works there.

    Brandy is another good cigar spirit of course.

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    Re: Whisky and cigars. Or whiskey, if you prefer.

    I don't drink scotch with cigar.

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    Re: Whisky and cigars. Or whiskey, if you prefer.

    I just got back from the liquor store.... and now I remember why I don't pair scotch whisky and cigars. The 18 year old bottle of Bunnahabhain was a mere 95 dollars. I was going pair it with a LP No.9(I have never had it). But alas I couldn't afford it right now... but I am think about it for my birthday.

    So my question is do you guys think this would be a good pair?

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    Re: Whisky and cigars. Or whiskey, if you prefer.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrumComp View Post
    I just got back from the liquor store.... and now I remember why I don't pair scotch whisky and cigars. The 18 year old bottle of Bunnahabhain was a mere 95 dollars. I was going pair it with a LP No.9(I have never had it). But alas I couldn't afford it right now... but I am think about it for my birthday.

    So my question is do you guys think this would be a good pair?
    I'm not quite sure - I've never tried the cigar you suggest. I remember Bunnahabhain 18 being quite savoury and woody, but not very peaty, as you'd expect from a Bunnahabhain. If anything I think it would work best paired with a sweet-tasting cigar, but it would be interesting to hear what others think.

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    Young Puffer Fish DrumComp's Avatar


     

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    Yup yup. The liga privada no. 9 by Drew Estate is supposed to be sweet and savory cocoa. Medium-Full bodied. So I was looking for sweet scotch. I could cut the price in half if went down to 12 year bottle. But was looking for advice before taking the plunge.

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    Re: Whisky and cigars. Or whiskey, if you prefer.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrumComp View Post
    Yup yup. The liga privada no. 9 by Drew Estate is supposed to be sweet and savory cocoa. Medium-Full bodied. So I was looking for sweet scotch. I could cut the price in half if went down to 12 year bottle. But was looking for advice before taking the plunge.
    Honestly then, I'd go for a whisky with a sweeter profile in general and little to no peat, unless you've simply got to have a peaty one. Dalmores, Aberlour, especially Aberlour a'Bunadh, older Glenrothes (12 is a bit light), maybe older Balvennies, Dalwhinnies or Glenmorangies.

    If you really like peat, maybe Ardbeg Blasda or Uigeadial, or a Caol Ila. Generally I think peat, and especially the medicinal taste you get with some pleated whiskies, is quite hard to successfully match with a cigar. Don't get me wrong, I love pleated whisky but tend not to drink it with cigars.

    A good pointer is Dalmore's purpose designed Cigar Malt. The flavour is big and sherried with a marmalade sweetness. Lots of burnt toffee and caramel. It was designed to match, specifically, a Partagas Serie D No. 4, obviously a woody, spicy powerhouse cigar. I tend to follow this kind of principal to match cigars with booze.

    You've made me really want a smoke and a drink now... Good luck, let us know what you decide on.

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