Moral Dilemma

[mdtaggart]

I think it would be fun to find out who ordered those dam things, then bomb the crap out of them with some good smoke.

[CigarGal]

This happened to me last week. I order a box of ITC 10th toros and received a box of Decade Toros...different vendor, not CI. I sent an e-mail immediately, he called and we straightened it out. I ended up keeping the Decades and he charged my card the $50 difference.

I still want my ITC's, though

[PadronMe]

Of course return them.

Besides, who from CS wants a bunch of Backwoods?

[ResIpsa]

Originally Posted by PadronMe

who from CS wants a bunch of Backwoods?

http://www.clubstogie.com/vb/member.php?u=2433


any other questions??

[PadronMe]

Originally Posted by ResIpsa

http://www.clubstogie.com/vb/member.php?u=2433


any other questions??

Wonder when the last time he smoked one?

[andrewsutherland2002]

Originally Posted by ResIpsa

Really?

I believe the OP lives in California.

I don't mean for this to sound harsh, and I don't mean to sound "uppity" but I have to say that more and more lately I'm seeing posts where people are referring to the legality of various things, and giving legal opinions as to them.

Unless a member here is a practicing attorney in the OP's state, I would refrain from commenting on the "legality" of this particular situation, or any situation in general. You may give someone very bad "legal" advice that costs them a jail term, a hefty fine or hefty legal fees.

On point, I can tell you that in New York if someone mistakenly ships you merchandise you are NOT the legal owner, and DO NOT have the right to keep it, although Business Law is not my area of expertise, and please, no one should take that as legal advice

Some people are always smarta$$es. You don't have to be a lawyer to understand the law. If you believe this, you will be bankrupt after spending your paycheck on lawyer fees for each law that you have to interpret. I don't have to be a lawyer to understand that it is ilegal to speed on the road. True, some laws need interpretation and a lawyer helps, but there are simple, common, everyday laws that all people understand. I don't need a lawyer to tell me that killing someone is ilegal. Just thought I would put my worth back to the geniuses out there. By the way, it isn't a legal issue anyway, because the man is sending it back.

[doctorcue]

Regardless of the moral issue; that is an a**load of Backwoods!!!

I can fertilize a field of corn with all of those butts.

Good job Darrell!

[rgordin]

Originally Posted by taltos

Vic, I think that the poster was confusing this type of situation with unsolicited gifts such as fund raining mailings. Just my from what I remember about business law in grad school.

I thought this was a straight-forward moral issue. Now that I have seen a photo of the cigars, I fully understand why you would send them back even if you would rationalize a basis to keep the boxes of Opus, Padrons, etc

[rottenzombie]

I'd send em back.and not just because they were Backwoods.

[taltos]

Originally Posted by rgordin

I thought this was a straight-forward moral issue. Now that I have seen a photo of the cigars, I fully understand why you would send them back even if you would rationalize a basis to keep the boxes of Opus, Padrons, etc

Actually my response was a note to an attorney who responded to a poster who said that anything shipped as a mistake could be kept. I was on record with my vote about contacting CI immediately to arrange a return of the misshipped product.

[Mr.Lordi]

Originally Posted by andrewsutherland2002

Some people are always smarta$$es. You don't have to be a lawyer to understand the law. If you believe this, you will be bankrupt after spending your paycheck on lawyer fees for each law that you have to interpret. I don't have to be a lawyer to understand that it is ilegal to speed on the road. True, some laws need interpretation and a lawyer helps, but there are simple, common, everyday laws that all people understand. I don't need a lawyer to tell me that killing someone is ilegal. Just thought I would put my worth back to the geniuses out there. By the way, it isn't a legal issue anyway, because the man is sending it back.

Law is relatively easy to interpret. I been reading laws for a while, just as a hobby and have no trouble understanding most of them. basically it comes down to you perspective of the law. I would never give anyone legal advice, cause that is just stupid and can get you in trouble. lol, law school is pretty much going through the motions so you can be legit, kinda.

Like my dad's professor said the first day of class(and I should know, I had to go to school with him that day, as a child) "Sue,sue,sue and always go for the deep pockets" lol

btw, I voted for keep them and send them to the troops. they need them more anyways. not that it matters now.

[jagmqt]

Originally Posted by andrewsutherland2002

Legaly they are yours. If the company ships them to you after you have puchased something, regardless if what you recieved is what you purchased, it belongs to you. Morally, it still belongs to CI. I would probably keep them though, but I'm a sorry SOB.
then again, CI has been good to me, so I should return the favor to them.

Originally Posted by ResIpsa

Really?

I believe the OP lives in California.

I don't mean for this to sound harsh, and I don't mean to sound "uppity" but I have to say that more and more lately I'm seeing posts where people are referring to the legality of various things, and giving legal opinions as to them.

Unless a member here is a practicing attorney in the OP's state, I would refrain from commenting on the "legality" of this particular situation, or any situation in general. You may give someone very bad "legal" advice that costs them a jail term, a hefty fine or hefty legal fees.

On point, I can tell you that in New York if someone mistakenly ships you merchandise you are NOT the legal owner, and DO NOT have the right to keep it, although Business Law is not my area of expertise, and please, no one should take that as legal advice

Originally Posted by andrewsutherland2002

Some people are always smarta$$es. You don't have to be a lawyer to understand the law. If you believe this, you will be bankrupt after spending your paycheck on lawyer fees for each law that you have to interpret. I don't have to be a lawyer to understand that it is ilegal to speed on the road. True, some laws need interpretation and a lawyer helps, but there are simple, common, everyday laws that all people understand. I don't need a lawyer to tell me that killing someone is ilegal. Just thought I would put my worth back to the geniuses out there. By the way, it isn't a legal issue anyway, because the man is sending it back.

A.S.2002...could you point to the law you are referring to (that says people can simply keep items they didn't order, didn't pay for, and were sent erroneously)? I'm a law student and would love to read more about it and how it's been handled by the courts when applied...I've found a new hobby researching the pecularities in the law and discovering the unique cases, I think there may be some good case law on the issue...

Also, I don't think ResIpsa was trying to be flippant...his advice self-evident, it is a "thing that speaks for itself"...to exercise caution with issuing legal advice...I agree with his advice and think it was appropriately offered here...

jag

[Ms. Detroit]

Honesty is always the best policy!!!!

[ca21455]

CI is a good company with great people working for them. They have always handled my orders exactly as advertised.

With that in mind, even if Thompson's sent me something by mistake, they would be immediately notified and within weeks of incompetent half a$$ screwing around, three more miss orders, several catalogs and phone calls to sign me up for the cigar of the month club, the dumb a$$es would get their box back.

By the way, this has nothing to do with the law. If you did not purchase it, it is not yours.

[kugie]

Nice job sending them back.
But good use of them while you had them
Funny

Originally Posted by dwhitacre

[SIZE=4]You have waited long enough![/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]Of course[/SIZE] she called CI immediately and they are sending the postage for her to send them back!!!

But we had to take a picture of the CI Bomb before we sent them back