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Moral Dilemma

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View Poll Results: What would you do?
Call CI immediately and send them back! 193 75.10%
Take a few days to think about it! 5 1.95%
Send them back because their Backwoods! 36 14.01%
Never tell and smoke them! 6 2.33%
Never tell and give them to the troops! 16 6.23%
Never tell that I smoke them, because they're Backwoods! 1 0.39%
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Old 04-04-2008, 10:11 PM   #76
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Re: Moral Dilemma

If it was me, it's not even a question......I ordered a lighter, and I want my damn lighter. I didn't order a case of cigars, so in no way, shape, or form are they mine. Whether Cohibas from Cuba or Backwoods from wherever the hell those nasty things come from makes no difference from a moral standpoint IMO. By keeping them, not only is it wrong on a moral/values based level, but it could very well wind up costing someone their job. I have worked supply and logistics for the government, and even though it was with the government and not a cigar retailer, I have a feeling the crap would be hitting the fan when inventory showed a case of cigars unaccounted for. Someone has to answer for it, so they're going to go down the line until they find that person, and maybe they'll keep their job if they're lucky, but very possibly could lose their job over it. Greed is one of those things that always comes around and bites you in the ass eventually, and I know I wouldn't rest easy knowing I cost someone their job over a bunch of cigars.
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Old 04-05-2008, 12:30 AM   #77
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I would call them and send them back...if they said keep them I would send them to the troops.
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Old 04-05-2008, 01:25 AM   #78
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I would call them and send them back...if they said keep them I would send them to the troops.
Now that's the way to play it.
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Old 04-05-2008, 01:47 AM   #79
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Actually my response was a note to an attorney who responded to a poster who said that anything shipped as a mistake could be kept. I was on record with my vote about contacting CI immediately to arrange a return of the misshipped product.
I know. My post was really two points. The first was that I agreed with you that legal rights may turn on whether the item was shipped to you intentiionally. The second part of my post concerned moral and practical matters
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Old 04-06-2008, 04:07 PM   #80
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CI would never miss them and the Troops could certainly use them. The choice is obvious.
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Old 04-06-2008, 05:07 PM   #81
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CI would never miss them and the Troops could certainly use them. The choice is obvious.
Wrong choice. Doing an inventory would cause CI to miss those cigars. They were shipped to the recipient in error and still belong to CI. The recipient does not have the legal or moral right to determine what happens to them. The only proper choice is to request a call tag to return them to CI.
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Old 04-06-2008, 05:15 PM   #82
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I would notify them immediately and send them back. Character is tested and refined in small matters such as this, so that it may be correctly displayed when more serious situations arise.

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Old 04-06-2008, 06:09 PM   #83
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I would call CI let them know, then send them back.

Bottom line if you didn't pay for them they are not yours.


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Thank you! An honest person, I like that...
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Old 04-06-2008, 06:16 PM   #84
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[SIZE=4]You have waited long enough![/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]Of course[/SIZE] she called CI immediately and they are sending the postage for her to send them back!!!

But we had to take a picture of the CI Bomb before we sent them back
Way to go. I knew you guys would do the right thing.
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Old 07-15-2008, 08:46 PM   #85
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Old 07-15-2008, 09:35 PM   #86
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[SIZE=4]You have waited long enough![/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]Of course[/SIZE] she called CI immediately and they are sending the postage for her to send them back!!!

But we had to take a picture of the CI Bomb before we sent them back

That's a lifetime supply! With that foil bag, they would probably stay fresh for a lifetime! Backwoods are the Twinkies of the cigar world as far as longevity is concerned.
Anyways, good karma for sending them back. Sadly, many aren't that honest anymore.
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Old 07-15-2008, 10:32 PM   #87
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This has been an interesting thread.

When I first opened it and read the post, I selected the first choice offered without reading the rest because there's really only one right answer. I also knew the right thing was being done LONG before you told us in the thread.

Had you included a choice for - "Get them all out and take a once in a lifetime shot of me drowning in Backwoods cigars while waiting for the shipping label to arrive" I would have wanted to switch my vote though.

Whether or not it's legal to keep them would have been irrelevant. There are a lot of things that are technically legal in this world that are just not the right thing to do. The law, while it's main goal seems to be to arrive at what's reasonable and fair for all parties involved, isn't perfect.
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Took me a while to choose... I'd go for calling them. Though I might too hint to donate 'em to the troops.
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Character should be defined as doing the right thing even when you don't have to do anything. And in my opinion its easy to have character when the choices are easy, how many people are lusting for ownership of 20 boxes of backwoods? But I'd love to be a fly on the wall and see how many people really own up to it when it was an erronous shipment of "insert_favorite_stick_name" you know?
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Character should be defined as doing the right thing even when you don't have to do anything. And in my opinion its easy to have character when the choices are easy, how many people are lusting for ownership of 20 boxes of backwoods? But I'd love to be a fly on the wall and see how many people really own up to it when it was an erronous shipment of "insert_favorite_stick_name" you know?
I would hope you would see the same reaction/results.
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