Tatuaje Black Frenzy

[FN in MT]

Originally Posted by ironpeddler

After smoking one last Thursday night....if I were you...I would sell them. Not a bad cigar, but NOT worth the hype at all. Make the money and buy something really good.....if you can get stupid, stupid money for them, jump on it


As for Pete Johnson, DPG, and their whole crew....if I see "Rare" or "Limited Edition" or "Limited Release" or "My Personal Blend" or "I'm only going to release these to 13 select dealers across the country" from them one more time I'm gunna freak.....is it me or don't I taste a big difference between a lot of their cigars?....and I think I have smoked most of them...subtle differences, but not one that I say, "wow, this is a great, different tasting stogie"....like Padron's Nic Annis. For $250 - $450 a box I want spectacular...sorry.

.....and just how may rollers does DPG have in Miami....does each of these guys roll 5,000 sticks a day? I know about the factory in Nicaragua pounding out tons of product a day, but they seem to turn out an abnormally large amount of cigars from that little factory in Miami

......it's like I'm waiting to see them all on "Entertainment Tonight" next...aaaaahhhhhhh

I feel better now.

+1 !!!!!


Limitied Edition...Special Anniversario.....Limitado...generally = BS

[kjd2121]

Getting real sick of the Tatuaje hype machine. The sticks are all overpriced. More expensive than a box of super premium CC's.

[doctorcue]

Maybe I am biased; but I don't think there is a "hype machine" for Tatuaje. If anything, this is more fan based. Tatuaje doesn't really blow up any cigar mags or publications with "Coming Soon" or "Vintage" lines. If you get the chance to talk to Pete in person you'd realize he is a down to earth guy who is very passionate about cigars.

Also, the Miami shop puts out very small quantities of cigars a day. There are a couple of videos on YouTube showing the El Rey factory and their production. Pete shows a few shelves of cigars snickering about the day's production. By nature; the Cabinet is limited.

[Footbag]

Originally Posted by doctorcue

Maybe I am biased; but I don't think there is a "hype machine" for Tatuaje. If anything, this is more fan based. Tatuaje doesn't really blow up any cigar mags or publications with "Coming Soon" or "Vintage" lines. If you get the chance to talk to Pete in person you'd realize he is a down to earth guy who is very passionate about cigars.

Also, the Miami shop puts out very small quantities of cigars a day. There are a couple of videos on YouTube showing the El Rey factory and their production. Pete shows a few shelves of cigars snickering about the day's production. By nature; the Cabinet is limited.

I'm going to agree with this. This is a boutique brand, and it has not yet his the mainstream. When it hits the mainstream, expect the quality to drop.

[chenvt]

Originally Posted by telest

Yeah, but the seller states; "Brand new unopened Tatuaje Black Label Jar" How did he get the cigars out? Or is he trying to pull one over on eBay before they find out?

Steve

No, there's cigars inside, but the seller neglects to mention the contents.. He says "unopened" so a buyer knows there's stogies inside.

[FN in MT]

And as Americans we hate to be told something is simply NOT AVAILABLE, or very LIMITED. Be it; stupid beanie babies , Cabbage patch kid dolls, designer clothes, you name it. We WANT IT and we want it NOW.

As soon as there is any sort of perceived shortage or limited numbers available .........people go nuts.

I like a few of the Pepin blends, but IMHO his prices are getting a bit too high. Then again look at Gurkha, Graycliff and a few others. Also far too high.

I think the prices being paid for merely cigars in a jar....is laughable. Then again I'm sure Pepin is laughing as well....all the way to the Bank.

FN in MT

[tandblov]

Originally Posted by ironpeddler

After smoking one last Thursday night....if I were you...I would sell them. Not a bad cigar, but NOT worth the hype at all. Make the money and buy something really good.....if you can get stupid, stupid money for them, jump on it

Taste is entirely subjective. I find them "worth the hype". If a cigar is good and I like it and I can get it, then I will buy it.

Originally Posted by ironpeddler

As for Pete Johnson, DPG, and their whole crew....if I see "Rare" or "Limited Edition" or "Limited Release" or "My Personal Blend" or "I'm only going to release these to 13 select dealers across the country" from them one more time I'm gunna freak.....

Just because something is limited, doesn't make it fit my taste. I hated the East Coast/West Coast. I really like the blacks. I don't like the red label, but I really enjoy some of the brown label. In fact, I think that the especial is one of the best cigars being produced on the planet, from ANY country.

Or are you saying that your distaste for a cigar's "buzz" automatically discounts a cigar in your mind? Keep in mind that the internet is a self selecting and small sample of smokers at large. What is perceived to be "Hype" among the forums, sometimes isn't reflected among the rest of the cigar smoking public.

BTW, the black label IS Pete's personal cigar. And as with any product, limitations in supply of raw materials determine the quantity a company is able to produce. He was hounded to produce some for the retail market and he did so. The reason you see buzz about them is because people like the cigar. Did you notice that "Stratavarious" bombs like a fart in church? Marketing can only take you so far. Pete has built a reputation for his cigars that reflects quality, flavor, and complexity that among even the most seasoned cuban cigar enthusiasts has garnered attention and approval.

Originally Posted by ironpeddler

is it me or don't I taste a big difference between a lot of their cigars?....and I think I have smoked most of them...subtle differences, but not one that I say, "wow, this is a great, different tasting stogie"....like Padron's Nic Annis. For $250 - $450 a box I want spectacular...sorry.

Since you ask, it must be you. I taste a HUGE difference in the varying cigars and lines that Pete puts out. I don't like the white label, and most of the red label. The exception being that I do like the Nobles and the Angeles. I think the brown label, made in Miami, is the best produced and each cigar has it's own taste profile. My favorite being the Especial. A TOTALLY different cigar than the Noella, Cojunu 2006, or the Cazadore.

I hope you have tried a Cabaiguan. If you haven't I suggest you do and you will find that they resemble other Pete Johnson's cigars but little.

Originally Posted by ironpeddler

.....and just how may rollers does DPG have in Miami....does each of these guys roll 5,000 sticks a day? I know about the factory in Nicaragua pounding out tons of product a day, but they seem to turn out an abnormally large amount of cigars from that little factory in Miami

They only roll that Brown label in Miami. They used to roll the Cabaiguan line there as well, but I think it has moved to Nic. The Black is rolled in Nic from what I have been told.

Oh, and while DPG rolls Tatuaje/Cabaiguan, it is not "His line". I think that many of the DPG have gone downhill for a number of reasons. However, the Tatuaje seems to be weathering that storm.

JM

[tandblov]

Originally Posted by FN in MT

I think the prices being paid for merely cigars in a jar....is laughable. Then again I'm sure Pepin is laughing as well....all the way to the Bank.

FN in MT

The Jar has increased the price hardly at all. The original release of the blacks came out to around 13 dollars a cigar as well.

The jar is simply a continuation of Pete admiration (or pirating) of the Cuban cigar industry.

And it is a nice presentation for an excellent cigar.

[tandblov]

Originally Posted by kjd2121

Getting real sick of the Tatuaje hype machine. The sticks are all overpriced. More expensive than a box of super premium CC's.

Lemme give an example. I enjoy the Especial. It retails for less than 10 dollars a cigar (much less at many online retailers or B&M's). Another cigar I truly enjoy is the Cohiba Lancero. A great cigar with a different profile, but that retails for significantly more. The Monte Especial is also more expensive. So I disagree with your assessment of the price structure of "ALL" Tatuaje's.

Not that it matters. Despite the fact that they are not "CC's", does it make it any less of a cigar? There are some truly fantastic non-cuban cigars being produced. Because they are non-cuban, are they worth less? Simply because a cigar is Cuban, should it be worth more no matter what the quality?

[Addiction]

Originally Posted by ironpeddler

After smoking one last Thursday night....if I were you.......

I would sell them. Not a bad cigar, but NOT worth the hype at all. ......is it me or don't I taste a big difference between a lot of their cigars?....and I think I have smoked most of them...subtle differences, but not one that I say, "wow, this is a great, different tasting stogie"....like Padron's Nic Annis. For $250 - $450 a box I want spectacular...sorry

........

I feel better now.

I'm 1025% in agreement with this statement, especially the the bold part. I don't understand the Tat crazy in general and the Tat Black part in particular. These cigars don't even seem to be the same as the the ones I had from the test release.

But taste is subjective to each their own.

[Addiction]

Originally Posted by tandblov

......

There are some truly fantastic non-cuban cigars being produced. Because they are non-cuban, are they worth less? Simply because a cigar is Cuban, should it be worth more no matter what the quality?

I agree with this too, but I do think Tats are in the right price range if they were $8, a little overpriced at $14.

[tandblov]

Originally Posted by Addiction

I agree with this too, but I do think Tats are in the right price range if they were $8, a little overpriced at $14.

Most are around that price point...unless your taxes are obscene in your jurisdiction...

[chippewastud79]

It kind of like paying over $500 for 25 Opus. If you can find them for at/around MSRP they are more than worth it. Its the 'hard to find' factor that make people willing to pay twice what stuff is worth, the same stuff happens with Opus and Anejos. The Devil and cigar boards (even here) are not immune from this Ebay-like trend of people over spending for cigars percieved as unobtainable and 'rare'.