An observation about aged NCs

[rizzle]

Originally Posted by Addiction

I see so many people who stick up for NCs over CCs, and talk about how equal (or even in some cases better) the NCs are.

I just wanted to make a single counterpoint in the form of a question: If aged NCs are so good how come they are so hard to sell? Over the past year I've sold 90 boxes and everyone that wasn't Opus or Anejo was a chore to move. Davidoffs, Avos, Diamond Crown Maximus and Padrons included. It really boggles my mind why people expect an aged box of Diamond Crown maximus to sell for 50% the price of a new box.

However with every aged box of cubans I've had its no contest. Not only can you easily sell them but typically no one will gripe if you sell them for more than you paid for them.

Why is that?

I don't stick up for either. I do know for some, times are tight. That might have had something to do with your trouble selling your boxes, don't know. On the other hand I can't say that I've seen nor heard of any aged cubans for sale on here. Probably within your cliques there are but certainly not in the open.

I would love to have a box of Partagas Lusitanias. I don't know how to get them. In time hopefully I will. I'm sure all of you fortunate enough to know how were in my shoes at some point. For those of us that have no access to cuban cigars your argument is falling on deaf ears.

[JCK]

Originally Posted by Addiction

Hold you that screen name doesn't want Avos?

Who are you and what did you do with the real Khubli?

LOL, I've got enough 77s and a few 22s left to tide me over. Don't get me wrong, I still love those smokes, but I'd rather spend my funds on other smokes these days.

It's really me.

[BlackDog]

Interesting discussion. I can't add much with regards to cigars since they're a relatively new hobby to me. But I have a fairly substantial cellar of pipe tobacco - you could call me a pipe tobacco 'ho. Premium brands of pipe tobacco (Samuel Gawith, Cornell & Diehl, McClelland, Gawith & Hoggarth, Rattray's, etc.) virtually alway sell for a premium above intermet retail prices if they have several years on them. If the blend is no longer made then the resale price goes up dramatically.

Where ISOM's are concerned, there is also the factor of the risks importing them. Personally, I would reluctant to buy ISOM's from an internet dealer due to the risks with which we are all aware. However, once that box is safely in the country, and the risk is removed, the product becomes more attractive and the price would go up correspondingly.

[Volt]

Originally Posted by tsolomon

I would think that the laws of supply and demand are at work here. NCs are easy to come by and can be had from numerous vendors at pretty good prices. It is an almost continous supply with a questionable demand for aged NCs that keeps the prices lower. CCs on the other hand are much harder to come by and the mystique about aged cigars is strong for Cubans. Short or limited supply and high demand equals higher prices.

From my own newbie point of view, many of the cigars you're offering are ones that I haven't smoked yet. You tend to offer boxes which means a larger up front investment in untried cigars. They also tend to be what I would call premium cigars, so the price per cigar is much more than I normally pay.

With that said, I did smoke my first 2005 God of Fire Saturday night and my wife said that I should buy some more of them.

Well written. I was trying to formulate an answer similiar to yours.

[kas]

I concur with all the supply/demand comments made above, as well as second the comments on box vs. smaller quantities. Plus, I really feel the economic downturn is a factor. I have been unable to sell anything recently and these are not aged or vintage or whatever. Some people are hurting.

[doctorcue]

Yeah yeah yeah... where are those aged Pirate Golds????

[nozero]

Originally Posted by doctorcue

Yeah yeah yeah... where are those aged Pirate Golds????

http://www.cigarsinternational.com/p...Pirates%20Gold

Rolando is so old school that he had pulled these Pirate’s Gold off the market and just sat on this huge inventory for several years.

Just how many is several anyway?

[dantzig]

Originally Posted by BlackDog

Interesting discussion. I can't add much with regards to cigars since they're a relatively new hobby to me. But I have a fairly substantial cellar of pipe tobacco - you could call me a pipe tobacco 'ho. Premium brands of pipe tobacco (Samuel Gawith, Cornell & Diehl, McClelland, Gawith & Hoggarth, Rattray's, etc.) virtually alway sell for a premium above intermet retail prices if they have several years on them. If the blend is no longer made then the resale price goes up dramatically.

Yep, it's all about the supply and demand. Demand for most older NCs seems to be lower than for "fresh" NCs simply due to the way that market works. Most NC manufacturers are constantly rolling out new products and pimping the hell out of them instead of sticking with a consistent, signature product. The new stuff is what's getting pimped, so it's what the NC smoking public wants. Of course there are exceptions to this rule for products that are constantly in high demand like Opus X and Anejo. People will buy those new at almost any price so they're not really paying a premium for your aged stock . . .

[gehrig97]

Originally Posted by Addiction

Not really. The Don Carlos are decent but not sensational and the Carlitos are just plain awful.

Completely agree

[tobii3]

trying not to step on toes here.....

Okay, I love the full-bodied facemelters.

I'm not gonna spend my money on an aged mild/medium smoke - that dog won't hunt. All cigars "mellow with age"....if it was a mild - I wouldn't touch it to begin with! A Medium?? gettin' smoked right now - Full bodied?? smokin' em, aging 'em....they just "do it" for me....not sure how else to explain it??

Now, I've bought boxes upon boxes of 2 - 5 year old Piranhas, Silencios, Machitos, LGC Serie R#5 Nat AND Maduro, and that's just off the top of my head.

From the list in the original post - I don't buy many of those labels to begin with (I know you were just using it as an example).

If you could predict what would sell for more than you paid for it, you would be a very rich man!!!

[El Gato]

Originally Posted by Addiction

However with every aged box of cubans I've had its no contest. Not only can you easily sell them but typically no one will gripe if you sell them for more than you paid for them.

Why is that?

So you are in the DC area and you've had no problem selling boxes of Cuban cigars for more than you paid for them?

I think linking to your name and address at your "Society" is going to make it pretty easy for Customs to come knocking on your door.
Maybe you need to brush up on CS policies regarding posts about the discussion of buying and selling CC's.
Just some friendly advice.

[jcruse64]

Originally Posted by nozero

http://www.cigarsinternational.com/p...Pirates%20Gold


Just how many is several anyway?

Not NEARLY enough, however many it is (yeah, I bought some off cbid once. Once!)

[Addiction]

Originally Posted by El Gato

So you are in the DC area and you've had no problem selling boxes of Cuban cigars for more than you paid for them?

I think linking to your name and address at your "Society" is going to make it pretty easy for Customs to come knocking on your door.
Maybe you need to brush up on CS policies regarding posts about the discussion of buying and selling CC's.
Just some friendly advice.

Actually I'd challenge you to find a post where I have actually sold any CCs. On any forum anywhere. It was more a point than a "hey look at me selling CCs" kind of deal.

[skibumdc]

Originally Posted by El Gato

So you are in the DC area and you've had no problem selling boxes of Cuban cigars for more than you paid for them?

I think linking to your name and address at your "Society" is going to make it pretty easy for Customs to come knocking on your door.
Maybe you need to brush up on CS policies regarding posts about the discussion of buying and selling CC's.
Just some friendly advice.

Re-read his first post.
Please tell me where it states he is selling CC's anywhere?

While you may infer that he has sold CC's, you can't even bring a "preponderance of evidence" to even file charges.

Careful whose toes you step on El Gato. Addiction is a well respected and upstanding member of this forum and a good citizen of these United States.

[El Gato]

Mr. Skibum,
I have read his original post and you are correct that there is no "direct evidence" that our friend sells CC's. There does, however, appear to be something implied here. Just my opinion, prehaps I am mistaken.

I was attempting to offer some friendly advice that it is a known fact that Customs monitors cigar boards in an attempt to squash our purchase of the forbidden fruit.

Poker's post of 3/20/2007 added to PDS's Sticky (see Stickys at the top of the page) details some stories of people who have been asked to "explain transactions" by Customs.
Since the time that Poker made this post the Customs Dept. has stepped up enforcement and has been levying fines against BOTL who have made small purchases of one or two boxes. Gone are the days that they would confiscate
a box or two here and there. Now they mean business and are treating casual CC smokers as violators of the Trading With The Enemy Act. Serious stuff to be sure.

My point to our friend Mr. Addiction is that "unwanted attention" is something that Club Stogie, his cigar society, and himself are something that none of us want. I unfortunately decided to use sarcasm in my post rather than to give a detailed explaination of my point. My sincerest apologies to Mr. Addiction and to you as well if you feel I have slighted such a fine BOTL.

The point I was trying to make in my first post is that we all need to be cautious!! No more, no less.