An observation about aged NCs

[BlackDog]

Originally Posted by skibumdc

Re-read his first post.
Please tell me where it states he is selling CC's anywhere?

While you may infer that he has sold CC's, you can't even bring a "preponderance of evidence" to even file charges.

Originally Posted by Addiction

However with every aged box of cubans I've had its no contest. Not only can you easily sell them but typically no one will gripe if you sell them for more than you paid for them.

I lived and worked on Capital Hill for a few years in my younger days. I'm well aware of how to use words to say one thing but mean another. However, here in "fly over country," if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. It certainly seems as though Addiction is speaking from experience. I don't know how you would read his above statement to mean anything otherwise. Typically investigations, such as those done by the Office of Foreign Asset Control, do not require a "preponderance of evidence." A few strong hints and a curious investigator are enough to make someone's life rather uncomfortable.

[SteveDMatt]

Originally Posted by Addiction

Not only can you easily sell them but typically no one will gripe if you sell them for more than you paid for them.

It actually looks to me like he is implying that YOU, not he, can sell them for more that was paid for them.

[Rolando]

I heard he sells CCs to children on playgrounds. Filthy pusher! Won't someone please think of the children?!?

I think your WTS thread is extremely reasonable and may still take you up on it depending on space issues. I have opened and closed the PM window 3 times wanting to pull the trigger. Did you ever think your timing might be a little off what with people scrambling to budget/find money for Opus Xs? Just a thought.

[skibumdc]

Originally Posted by El Gato

The point I was trying to make in my first post is that we all need to be cautious!! No more, no less.

Point taken. No harm no foul.
And Addiction certainly does sell CC's to kids on playgrounds...but onyl those that come up to him because they know he has the goods. It's not like he give them the first "Cohibo" free.

and BTW....Mr. Skibum is my father, I'm just a bum that likes to ski, golf, and smoke cigars.

[El Gato]

Please tell me where this playground is. I've got a monkey on my back and he won't let go. (Or is that a gorilla?)

Prehaps a quote is in order:

"So long as the laws remain such as they are today, employ some discretion: loud opinion forces us to do so; but in privacy and silence let us compensate ourselves for that cruel chastity we are obliged to display in public."

Marquis de Sade (6/2/1740 to 12/2/1814)

[zmancbr]

In all reality I try not to smoke [SIZE="4"]anything[/SIZE] that isn't at least 6 months old. For some reason I just gravitate to aged stuff, and that includes NCs.

Now I have smoked a decent amount of aged CCs in the 8-10 year range and haven't had the same comparison for NCs since finding a 10 year old NC is pretty challenging. If they had box codes like CCs it would make it easier to find out IMO and I think some people like Pepin are moving toward adding box codes.

I personally don't think CCs are any better than NCs. Just different IMO. They are both great and sometimes I am in the mood for one over the other.

[Rolando]

You shouldn't admit to owning CCs. I think some of the people in this thread might be wearing wires.

I'm jes sayin

I have had some great NCs none of them compared directly to a CC but there were things to like about them as well.

ETA: My soft rule is 6 months of resting/aging for NCs.

[cedjunior]

Back OT.

I'm very, very reluctant to buy a box of cigars with a price more that 2 digits, infact the only boxes I have bought that were that expensive are Padrons. Most of my smokes are the result of 5 packs or 10 packs, assortments, whatever. That being said, if I was looking to spend a good chunk of change, and I knew a guy who's uncle's sister in law's older brother had some NC, and some CC on hand for sale, I'd go for the CC simply because a guy like me has no idea where to find that stuff otherwise. I can find NC all day, so why bother? The only thing that'd compell me to buy expensive box of NC would be if it were a good deal I couldn't find anywhere else.

[Addiction]

Originally Posted by El Gato

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My point to our friend Mr. Addiction is that "unwanted attention" is something that Club Stogie, his cigar society, and himself are something that none of us want. I unfortunately decided to use sarcasm in my post rather than to give a detailed explaination of my point. My sincerest apologies to Mr. Addiction and to you as well if you feel I have slighted such a fine BOTL.......

No need to apologize bro, I didn't take it personally. As they used to say love is love, its all good. For the record I doubt that what I wrote in the OP would draw any attention at all. Its not pictures of illegal cigars (which happens) and there is no mention of a transaction (also happens). It would be hard to get a letter asking me to explain a transaction for which they have no details. And I'm 100% certain that I have created no records of transactiosn that they would be interested in. After all I am a law abiding citizen in most respects (I mean who doesn't speed?).

In any event you are completely right that people engaging in those activities should be careful and cautious and I completely agree with your point.

[fizguy]

Originally Posted by Addiction

And I doubt any NC aged will move. I mean if I have a box of 07 Cohibas, or Montes or pretty much any brand priced fairly it will move. Thats not true for padroms or DCMs.

I guess it has been said but it is pretty much because it is not hard to get any non cuban at a fair price. Also, I am not afraid of getting a letter from the government if I buy NC cigars from a vendor but would worry about it if I bought CC the same way. Buying CCs from a BOTL is less worrisome, IMO.

[Addiction]

OK let me start with this for the record. Its 100% true and I'd say the same thing in a poly: I have never, ever, under any circumstances or at any time sold a single CC , nor a fiver, nor a box. Such behavior is against the laws of this country and not one I care to indulge in. I don't know how many people have been strapped into the machine to be asked questions but I have so I understand what that means when I make the offer above.

It may have been implied that I own CCs, again that is not an incrimination that I admit too. And I would be more than willing to open my home to inspection to anyone with the properly executed documents that empower such a search.

What I was trying to say was that in other forums around the world I've seen some CCs sold that were above what I presume the original price to be and every one was sold quickly and without general complaint. Its not as if I have some great knowledge of the original price, that part is roughly presumption.

To go back on target if I poked my head in WTS and said I had a ten count box of CCs from 2005 for 95% of what they listed at (which is what I would have paid) those cigars would be gone, I have no doubts of this. But the same thing for Davidoffs, which are arguably the top of the NC market, and nary a whisper goes off. That is the comparison I'm making.

And as far as this thing about those children let me just say they were asking for it. I mean did you see how they were dressed?

[Rolando]

I guess I must be chopped liver. Screw it. I never got an answer on my can I wait a week question in the WTS thread and even though I have expressed interest twice apparently I am still nary a whisper.

[BengalMan]

I think it comes down to two things, price and availability. Cubans aren't readily available to everyone, thus when someone that doesn't' know where to get them see's an opportunity to buy some, they jump on it. Vintage Cubans are just more highly regarded that "domestic" sticks.

As far as price is concerned, many cigars now days can be bought on places like CI for much cheaper than most B&M's can afford to sell them at. If you bought these in 05 and from a B&M and are asking B&M prices that include OTP, someone is likely to just buy them from CI for a cheaper price and ignore that they have 3 years. If you want to sell stuff faster, lower the price if it's not selling.

[Addiction]

Originally Posted by Rolando

I guess I must be chopped liver. Screw it. I never got an answer on my can I wait a week question in the WTS thread and even though I have expressed interest twice apparently I am still nary a whisper.

No Rolando I wasn't monitoring the thread for answers, typically questions are asked via PM. Since I didn't get any PMs I assumed there to be no interest. The answer to your question is sure you can circle back when you think you have room and see what is left.

[Addiction]

Originally Posted by BengalMan

I think it comes down to two things, price and availability. Cubans aren't readily available to everyone, thus when someone that doesn't' know where to get them see's an opportunity to buy some, they jump on it. Vintage Cubans are just more highly regarded that "domestic" sticks.

As far as price is concerned, many cigars now days can be bought on places like CI for much cheaper than most B&M's can afford to sell them at. If you bought these in 05 and from a B&M and are asking B&M prices that include OTP, someone is likely to just buy them from CI for a cheaper price and ignore that they have 3 years. If you want to sell stuff faster, lower the price if it's not selling.

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[SIZE=3]There has been some small amount of heat in this thread so I’ll say this up front, the following is not directed at you. In fact it’s a redirection of the thread kind of.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]So far a lot of people have given me instruction on better ways to sell things. I don’t mind the hints but I have 65 trader feedback and less than 5 of those were actual trades. I’ve got a good handle on how to get things to sell. I know that if I simply inch the price down $10-$15 a day as long as I can stand it then eventually someone will buy it. This isn’t a thread about selling things and in truth this latest batch of stuff I don’t care if it sells or not, they are all pretty good sticks and I’ll simply keep smoking them or give them as gifts. Heck my next door neighbor wouldn’t know to crap or go blind if I gave him a box of God of Fire for Xmas.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]The other general answer seems to be “People can find quality NCs anywhere.” I guess but please let me know if people can find aged NCs anywhere. My observation is really towards peoples willingness to buy aged NCS so a comparison of how they can buy new NCs doesn’t diffuse it. [/SIZE]