Bar Owners Claim to be Cigar Bars so Patrons Could Smoke Cig

[KevinG]

Bar Owners Claim to be Cigar Bars so Patrons Could Smoke Cigarettes?

I noticed an article on the Colorado Springs Gazette Website that implies that three bar owners (regular drinking establishment bars) tried to claim they should be exempt from the no smoking law as if they were cigar bars.

They lost the case and were fined a few hundred dollars each. As I started reading the article my first inclination was to take the side of the bar owners. Then I got to the part that said the patrons were smoking cigarettes.

Reading further the article says the bar owners defense was that their cigarettes sales - "totaling more than 5 percent of his overall sales - and should have been exempted from Colorado's Clean Air Act under the 'cigar bar' exemption."

WHAT!?! Sorry guys. You got what you deserved. You tried to pull a scam and worse yet, fueled the uneducated, narrow-minded, general public's view that cigars and cigarettes should all be lumped together as the same thing.

Watch for a future article here about the huge differences between cigars and cigarettes.

In the meantime, check out the story and tell me what you think.

http://www.gazette.com/articles/bar_417 ... wners.html

[JAX]

I can't wait until CM sees this......

Nothing like being lumped together in one big group! If the cig smokers of the world want to fight the fight, then fight it. Don't hide behind the liberties (and F&ck 'em up for the) cigar/pipe smokers have fought to retain. They absolutely got what they deserved....

[Acesfull]

Do they have a humidor and sell cigars (the size of what we consider the standard that real cigar bars have)? Then they might have an arguement but still, thats messed up.

[andrew_will1]

I smoke cigarettes and this pisses me off.

[slowburning]

No argument here.

A cigar bar is a cigar bar when patrons smoking cigars. Anything else just make it a smoking lounge.

[JAX]

Originally Posted by andrew_will1

I smoke cigarettes and this pisses me off.

I don't want you thinking I'm against cig smokers or an anti-cig kinda guy, my friend. I'm a reformed cig smoker myself (quit 2 yrs ago), so I know how screwed up society has become WRT to peoples rights. That pisses me off. Cigs are perfectly legal and if one wants to enjoy them they should be able to. If it weren't for the twins, my wife would still smoke.

This story annoys me because I already hit one massive wall while trying to "enjoy" cigs (my car/home were the only safe places) and I just don't want to run into again with cigars.

[andrew_will1]

I wish I was ready to quit smoking cigs but I'm not...I'm just saying as a cigarette smoker If I walked into an actual cigar bar and someone was smoking cigarettes I'd be appalled. Much less some POS establishment trying to use cigars as a way to enable their patrons to smoke cigarettes.

BTW Jax, kudos on quitting smoking!!

[JAX]

Originally Posted by andrew_will1

...Much less some POS establishment trying to use cigars as a way to enable their patrons to smoke cigarettes.

We're singing the same tune!

Originally Posted by andrew_will1

I wish I was ready to quit smoking cigs but I'm not...

I know this sounds "canned", but trust me. When you're ready to quit you'll know it. I tried to force myself to quit so many times it's sad.....then literally one day I "decided" I was done, out of the blue. Still not sure what actually was the final straw for me. When you're ready, you'll have no problems.

[andrew_will1]

I know that when I'm ready I will quit I will. I think about it from time to time but know that trying before I'm ready is pointless (I've seen to many people fail at quitting)....someday...

[Python]

I think it is a little under handed for them to try and cheat or trick the system. I also agree that cigarettes and cigars are two totally different things.
BUT, IMO, smoking is smoking and whether it be cigar smoke or cigarette smoke there is still the supposed "second hand smoke" theory. I know a lot of people on here are die hard anti-cigarette people, but they are still a legal substance and cigarette smokers have rights too.

Just remember, the anti's are not anti-cigarette, anti-cigar, anti-pipe, etc. they are ANTI-TOBACCO. They want ALL forms of tobacco gone.

We can not allow ourselves to segregate ourselves as different groups of tobacco users. That is how the anti's are winning right now, by dividing and conquering us. Right now the cigar and pipe smokers are blaming cigarette smokers for giving us a bad name and the way that cigar and pipe smokers act and treat cigarette smokers makes them think that we are snobs. We have to stick together in the TOBACCO war.

If you let them take away one group of peoples rights, pretty soon they are going to come after your rights and there won't be anyone to stand up for yours because you didn't stand up for theirs.

We really need to stick up for everyone's right to use tobacco. Whether it is cigars, pipes, cigarettes, chew, dip, snuff, whatever.

We need to stop helping the anti's divide and conquer us and stop the self imposed segregation that we are doing.

This is my opinion and I'm not attacking or trying to offend anyone, I'm just trying to help fight for our rights to enjoy ourselves with something that is still legal to do.

I know this is a little long winded and border line political, and I also hope I didn't go to far off topic.

[randomhero1090]

We just had the "ban" kick in here in PA. To keep it short, if your total revenue of food sales is over 20%, you have to be non-smoking. If its under, you can get an exemption.

A workaround.... A local club called Crocodile Rock had food sales over the 20% mark. So, to combat this, they split off the restaurant area as a seperate business with its own seating. That is all smoke free, but the bar/club area you can smoke all you want. Pretty smart!

Hotels rooms and Casino Floors need to be 75% smoke free. So my wife is happy, since I can smoke at the bar at Mt. Airy, she will get there more often.

The way they got this passed is to protect the workers. And I get that. CONSTANT exposure to cigar/cigarette smoke on a dense, 2nd hand level is really not a good thing. So unless you can get employees to sign off on a medical waiver, its gonna be hard to fight this one.

I am just happy to see that there are places we can still smoke in PA. I know I will be enjoying the WiFi, fireplace and leather chairs at the CI Superstore once winter hits

[Python]

Originally Posted by randomhero1090

The way they got this passed is to protect the workers. And I get that. CONSTANT exposure to cigar/cigarette smoke on a dense, 2nd hand level is really not a good thing. So unless you can get employees to sign off on a medical waiver, its gonna be hard to fight this one.

I understand that point as well, however, you (figuratively speaking) don't HAVE to work at a certain place. If a place is a smoking establishment, and you don't smoke and don't like smoking, don't work there.
I just don't understand why they pass laws to cater to one group of people while stomping all over the rights of another group of people.

Where is the comprise?
(Oh yeah, I forgot. Tobacco users are the devil and we don't know what is good for us )

[JAX]

Originally Posted by Python

I just don't understand why they pass laws to cater to one group of people while stomping all over the rights of another group of people.

Me either. You gotta admit though it's funny that to "protect" one groups rights you have to take away someone elses. There's a certain degree of irony when you think about it....

Sadly this is the direction of our society and it'll be some time before these pu55ies (aka: liberals) start getting a taste of thier own medication.

[Acesfull]

Originally Posted by Python

I understand that point as well, however, you (figuratively speaking) don't HAVE to work at a certain place. If a place is a smoking establishment, and you don't smoke and don't like smoking, don't work there.
I just don't understand why they pass laws to cater to one group of people while stomping all over the rights of another group of people.

Where is the comprise?
(Oh yeah, I forgot. Tobacco users are the devil and we don't know what is good for us )

+1

plus I dont like the government telling business owners how to run their business.

[andrew_will1]

Originally Posted by Acesfull

+1

plus I dont like the government telling business owners how to run their business.

Big + 2 on that one!!!