Rush Limbaugh Discusses the Calabasas OUTDOOR Smoking Ban - 20 March 2006

[Ivory Tower]

Originally Posted by rjose

My point is that problem #1 with the American educational system is the student.

Problem #2 is that the brightest students graduating from college have no incentive to go into teaching (K-12).

That's correct, IMO. Whether it's blaming someone or not is irrelevant and it's obvious that if you are going to "fix" something, you have to identify, or "blame," the problem or partial problem. And, to follow IHT's suggestion about staying on target in this thread's topic, I must interject my belief that cigar smoking should be prohibited in public schools.

[hollywood]

Rush is a TOOL! I agree with many of the things he has to say and most of what he stands for, but he is still a tool!! Having grown up around him abd his family and met them a few times; makes all the difference from just listening on the radio!! Talk about type-A(ss) personality!

[(909)]

Originally Posted by hollywood

Rush is a TOOL! I agree with many of the things he has to say and most of what he stands for, but he is still a tool!! Having grown up around him abd his family and met them a few times; makes all the difference from just listening on the radio!! Talk about type-A(ss) personality!

Thats what I can't stand about you Dave is that you never come right out and say what you mean.

How do you really feel about Rush?

[hollywood]

Originally Posted by (909)

Thats what I can't stand about you Dave is that you never come right out and say what you mean.

How do you really feel about Rush?

I really wish he was a nicer person! I agree with SOOO many of his views, but he's just TOOO much like me ..... an ASSHAT!!

[AAlmeter]

Originally Posted by Hammerhead

Oh, fer cryin' out loud... there you go again shifting the issue, and avoiding the question.

Let's just forget it.

No, he had it. It was in there...."its expecting everything to be handed to them because it has been"

Food, water, clothing, shelter, education, drugs, and prostitutes are all paid for by the government. There really is no need to work. Throw on top of that years of spewed crap stating that everyone who is successful is an "evil captialist" out to "rape the working man." Hell, then once you make it in the world, you come to learn that a huge chunk is taken out of your paycheck every week....f it.

Then, if you go away from actualy government policies and look at the attitudes, you really start to understand why we have these problems. We are losing the merit based systems that made us great. Scholarships are for being born different, not for separating yourself from the pack via your own work. Advancement in grades now is according to your birthdate, not your grades. And, what really gets me is this "everyone is special" BS. There are two ways to make yourself special, eat leaded paint chips or be at the top of the class. And I know, because I ate leaded paint chips AND made it to the top of the class. Now that's special.

[Aaron]

New Articles re Calabasas:

• [SIZE=2]LAWSUITS, WARNINGS, TAXES
  [/SIZE][SIZE=2]Smoking-style attack leveled at food -- [/SIZE][SIZE=2]WALTER E. WILLIAMS

  [SIZE="2"]The anti-smoking zealots started out with "reasonable" demands, such as warning labels on cigarette packs and no-smoking sections on airplanes. They made exaggerated claims about the cost that smokers were imposing on the health care system. Then cigarette manufacturers faced multimillion-dollar lawsuits and multibillion-dollar local, state and federal extortion taxes, all of which are passed on to smokers in the form of higher prices.
  
  Just recently, the city of Calabasas, Calif., adopted an ordinance that bans smoking in virtually all outdoor areas. Partial justification is to protect children from bad influences - seeing adults smoking.
  
  I'd be interested to know just how many Americans would like to see done to our food industry what was done to the tobacco industry: massive multibillion-dollar lawsuits against food companies; massive lawsuits against restaurants that serve too large a serving, and confiscatory taxes levied on foods and snacks deemed non-nutritious.
  
  Consumers will pay for all of this in the form of higher food prices and fewer choices. There's also the possibility that food zealots in some cities, emboldened by the success of the anti-smoking zealots in Calabasas, who are concerned about smokers passing on bad habits to our youth, might call for an ordinance banning public appearance of obese people so as not to pass bad eating habits on to our children.[/SIZE]

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• [SIZE=2] Outdoor Smoking Bans: Government lacks power to legislate lifestyles
  Penn State University Student Newspaper[/SIZE]

  [SIZE="2"]Last week, the community of 25,000 people on the western fringes of Los Angeles outlawed smoking in all public places -- including restaurants, parks, bus stops and sidewalks -- by a unanimous vote. The Calabasas City Council will allow smoking in one's car or house as long as the windows are closed and no one nearby is being affected. Offenders face warnings, fines of up to $500 for repeat offenses and misdemeanor charges.[/SIZE]

• [SIZE=2] California city bans smoking in all public places
  NAPA Valley Register[/SIZE]

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[Aaron]

NEW ZEALAND: HAWKE'S BAY TODAY
EDITORIAL: Will we ban smoking in homes?

18.03.2006
PAUL TAGGART

The bizarre, interesting and wonderful new happenings in the United States can often be commonplace in this country a decade or so later.

The list of examples is long, with television, open gay relationships and facelifts being a few of the more obvious cases.

Could the latest Californian crackdown on smoking also migrate across the Pacific?

The rural California town of Calabasas has enacted the first law in the US banning smoking on streets, at bus stops and in all other public places where people can be exposed to second-hand smoke.

"People have a right to breathe clean air," says Calabasas Mayor Barry Groveman.

And he has a point.

The ban means an end to smokers huddling outside the entrances of offices, lighting up on outdoor restaurant patios, or puffing on their apartment balconies if they are near common areas such as pools or laundry rooms.

Smokers now have to go to designated areas, or will be handed small cards outlining the new law. Persistent offenders risk fines of up to $US500.

San Francisco already prohibits smoking in parks and Los Angeles and Malibu last year cracked down on the habit on more than 65km of beaches.

New Zealand is not that far behind, with a Levin bar owner this week fined $800 and ordered to pay costs totalling $920 after admitting four charges of allowing people to smoke on his premises.

Public health researchers here are also calling for smoke-free homes.

A study has found an "aggressive" smoke-free policy will ensure fewer people start the habit, as well as helping people to kick smoking.

"With the goal of making New Zealand's workplaces smoke-free now largely achieved, people's homes are one of the last frontiers in the battle to reduce second-hand smoke indoors," Dr George Thomson said.

Second-hand smoke was harmful to human health and wellbeing, and homes were crucial sites of exposure, he said.

"Smoke-free homes mean fewer children with glue ear, fewer days off school, and less chance of children starting smoking. And they help avoid the catastrophic effects of cot deaths on families."

Dr Thomson said that up until now research had focused on individuals voluntarily reducing second-hand smoke in homes rather than using legislation.

But what is the point of banning people from smoking around their colleagues in the workplace when they can go home and blow smoke over their partner and children? Maybe fresh legislation is the answer.

It would be difficult to police, but there are many activities that go on behind closed doors that are covered by legislation - including using drugs and child abuse, which some would consider passive smoking to be.

So it may seem odd that Californians in Calabasas cannot stand outside their workplaces or outside bars to smoke, but are being rounded up in "smokers' corrals".

[Hammerhead]

Originally Posted by AAlmeter

No, he had it. It was in there...."its expecting everything to be handed to them because it has been"

Food, water, clothing, shelter, education, drugs, and prostitutes are all paid for by the government. There really is no need to work.... We are losing the merit based systems that made us great... And, what really gets me is this "everyone is special" BS.

Adam, puh-leeze give me credit for trying to be more subtle. I was hoping he'd lead himself there without me pushing from behind. But you're not gonna get an argument from me, I see what you see, too.

Have you seen The Incredibles? Elastigirl says to Dash "Everyone's special", and Dash responds "that means noone is."

[rjose]

Originally Posted by AAlmeter

Food, water, clothing, shelter, education, drugs, and prostitutes are all paid for by the government.

High school kids are getting free drugs and prostitutes? Man, I really need to buy that Matthew Lesko book.



I was talking about their parents.

[AAlmeter]

Originally Posted by Hammerhead

Adam, puh-leeze give me credit for trying to be more subtle. I was hoping he'd lead himself there without me pushing from behind. But you're not gonna get an argument from me, I see what you see, too.

Have you seen The Incredibles? Elastigirl says to Dash "Everyone's special", and Dash responds "that means noone is."

My subtlety ranges from a low of jackhammer to the groin to a high of ball peen hammer to the face. Sorry I missed that. :s

[Hammerhead]

Originally Posted by AAlmeter

My subtlety ranges from a low of jackhammer to the groin to a high of ball peen hammer to the face. Sorry I missed that. :s

Yah, usually I'm fond of saying: "Sometimes ya' just gotta swat a fly with a sledgehammer", but I'm trying to turn a new leaf. Don't worry... this phase will probably last only a couple days.

[carbonbased_al]

Originally Posted by rjose

Isn't that guy slated as the next villian in the upcoming batman movie?

[ATLHARP]

Originally Posted by carbonbased_al

Isn't that guy slated as the next villian in the upcoming batman movie?

That bastard stole my jacket...................hey that's my tie! That tears it! I'm gonna shank his nerdy ass!

ATL

[SDmate]

A mate of mine's dad owns a small bar here in San Diego
he told me that the fine if caught smoking a cigarette in a bar is $125.00
& the fine if caught smoking weed is $35.00
so if you go to a bar & want to smoke,smoke weed it's cheaper

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by SDmate

A mate of mine's dad owns a small bar here in San Diego
he told me that the fine if caught smoking a cigarette in a bar is $125.00
& the fine if caught smoking weed is $35.00
so if you go to a bar & want to smoke,smoke weed it's cheaper

Considering cigarettes now cost almost as much as weed, you are right.
Weed should be the smoke of choice in San Diego.