cigar shapes and sizes

[wharvey]

What is the difference between a toro and a chruchill cigar? I've noticed that many cigar lines will show a churchill at 7x50 and their toros will be 6x50. Is the only difference just the inch length or is there a slight difference in the shape?

Thanks in advance

Bill Harvey

[happy1]

They smoke longer,alittle cooler and cost more.

[Sam Leccia]

a robusto is typically 5X50
a toro is typically 6X50
a Churchill is Typically 7X50

the length is really the only difference to the naked eye....

However, Churchills require a larger leaf to get 3 turns of the wrapper than a robusto, and larger leaves can be milder than smaller leaves (but not always)

Three turns you may be asking yourself?
If you look at any cigar rolled properly, you should be able to count 3 rolling lines from top to bottom if the roller used the appropriate leaf to the size, and properly rolled it.

anything 8 inches and above usually have 4+ turns, but with the right sized leaf you could get 3.

[Puffer]

Originally Posted by Sam Leccia

Three turns you may be asking yourself?
If you look at any cigar rolled properly, you should be able to count 3 rolling lines from top to bottom if the roller used the appropriate leaf to the size, and properly rolled it.

anything 8 inches and above usually have 4+ turns, but with the right sized leaf you could get 3.

thats very interesting Sam.. thanks for the insight on that. I am going to start counting..

[Pendaboot-cl]

Winston Churchill used to have his cigars made (or he just purchased a size) that was 7" by 48 ring. That was considered a bit longer and a bit thinner than what was the most popular in that day, which we now call a Toro. Today, manufacturers find it more economical to roll longer tubes, a foot long or even more, at 50 ring gauge, and cut to the various lengths of 5, 6 and 7 inches, or more or less.

Of course, the high priced makers might well do it differently, but that is what I saw in the cigar factories I have visited in Miami. I have read a different story, but I tend to go with what I have seen with my own eyes. In the end I care only about how it smokes and how it tastes. It is interesting to hear about leaves and turns and that kind of stuff though.

[elmomac]

Originally Posted by Sam Leccia

a robusto is typically 5X50
a toro is typically 6X50
a Churchill is Typically 7X50

the length is really the only difference to the naked eye....

However, Churchills require a larger leaf to get 3 turns of the wrapper than a robusto, and larger leaves can be milder than smaller leaves (but not always)

Three turns you may be asking yourself?
If you look at any cigar rolled properly, you should be able to count 3 rolling lines from top to bottom if the roller used the appropriate leaf to the size, and properly rolled it.

anything 8 inches and above usually have 4+ turns, but with the right sized leaf you could get 3.

Thanks!! like my OCD need some thing more to obsess over...

Where do you start counting the foot or the cap?
What constitutes a full roll?
Which way was it rolled clock wise or counter-clock wise?
Was the roller left handed?
Whats for breakfast...oh never mind
:baffled:

[wharvey]

Thanks again. Being a new cigar smoker I hadn't really noticed any difference in the smoke of toro or churchill in those brands that use the same ring size. It never made any sense to me that the toro was sometimes priced higher than the churchill being that there was an inch less cigar.

I'll have to count the leaves. Neever thought that would be standardized.

[Sam Leccia]

Originally Posted by elmomac

Thanks!! like my OCD need some thing more to obsess over...

Where do you start counting the foot or the cap?
What constitutes a full roll?
Which way was it rolled clock wise or counter-clock wise?
Was the roller left handed?
Whats for breakfast...oh never mind
:baffled:

#1- it doesn't really matter this is used for roller inspectors
#2- A full roll is just where the wrapper overlaps
#3- A leaf is separated by the stem so there is a left side to the leaf and a right side to the leaf...so a cigar is rolled clockwise/and counter clockwise depending on which half of the leaf the wrapper came from.
#4- You can best tell by taking the cigar apart...the best rollers roll both ways...i can roll left or right.
#5- Eggs and Sausage, come on over.