laws are getting little over board here

[boxer757]

Originally Posted by karmaz00

we live in a crazy country

We live in a crazy world

[foolwithnohair]

Tobacco, alcohol, firearms, prostitution, weed - all must be controlled, outlawed, or taxed. :mumbles:

[CHRIS7891011]

Originally Posted by baldheadracing

Tobacco, alcohol, firearms, prostitution, weed - all must be controlled, outlawed, or taxed. :mumbles:

It's funny how many politicians and authority figures all partake in those but we get reamed for considering to smoke within 50 feet of a building or in a bar. :mumbles:

I'm sorry to hear about your nanny state. Check out this article. It has some great insight. http://www.joejackson.com/smoking.php (download the e-book)

http://cagecanada.ca/

and check out this link... Citizens Against Government Encroachment

[foolwithnohair]

Okay, you American may think you're not too far behind us, but we are so far ahead of you that we must be living in an Absolut world :baffled:.

Check out what is coming to Ontario on May 31 for non-registered tobacconists, i.e., corner stores, gas stations, etc. (Registered tobacconists have to do this only for cigarettes.) :

No tobacco products may be displayed in a retail store. This means:
• Tobacco products must be stored in a way that prohibits consumers from seeing them before they are purchased. Customers are not allowed to handle cigarettes or other tobacco products before they purchase them.
• Store owners must ensure that tobacco products are not displayed to a potential consumer while re-stocking, conducting inventory checks or any other process that may require the storage device to be opened and tobacco products viewed.
• The brief time when a seller opens and closes the storage device and transfers the product to a customer is not considered a “display” under section 3.1(2) of the Act.
• Important: Any intentional or unintentional action to display tobacco products in the storage device could be subject to a charge under the Act.

The diagrams in the pdf are hilarious.
http://www.mhp.gov.on.ca/english/hea...atSheet-EN.pdf

I can't imagine even California doing stuff like this:
http://www.mhp.gov.on.ca/english/hea.../retailers.asp
http://www.mhp.gov.on.ca/english/hea...y_ban-faqs.asp

[Lok17]

Cover them up so they are not visable to minors!?!?!? Are you sh*(ting me!?!?!?!? WTF is wrong with politicians!??!?!?!? This is just insane!!! F**k this F88k8ng world!!!

[Jonjonmacky]

Originally Posted by baldheadracing

Tobacco, alcohol, firearms, prostitution, weed - all must be controlled, outlawed, or taxed. :mumbles:

Originally Posted by Lok17

Cover them up so they are not visable to minors!?!?!? Are you sh*(ting me!?!?!?!? WTF is wrong with politicians!??!?!?!? This is just insane!!! F**k this F88k8ng world!!!

Exactly.

Weed isn't even that bad for you, the only reason why it isn't legal and taxed is because Big Pharma companies wouldn't be able to get in on the action of something you can grow in your house. not to mention rendering about 30% of the drugs they make obsolete in comparison. And since the Billions of dollars they have are thrown every which way towards political contributions, it will stay the way it is.

Amsterdam has a "Tolerated Organic Policy" where all drugs that are organic and not chemically altered or created are tolerated. and are available to sell with proper taxing, and they only have 60% of the weed smokers America has by correlation.

Now the reason why I'm making this point is not because I smoke weed. (Which i strongly dont) I'm saying, that tolerance and taxation gives way to a calming down of public interest. All your doing by making them not visible, is making them "cooler" to get if you can. So instead of treating these things like rat poison (which is ironically in cigarettes) we should be treating them like they are undesirable, not untouchable, making something untouchable only increases a person's desire to have it, because they don't like being told what to do. So how do you make it undesirable? By educating people, if you don't want your kids to smoke cigarettes, inform as to why that is, all the reasons. Parents should not leave it up to some gym teacher who is teaching Health class part time, they should take action into their own hands and not rely on politicians to appease their fears and weaknesses as parents.

[nootje]

Originally Posted by Jonjonmacky

Exactly.
Amsterdam has a "Tolerated Organic Policy" where all drugs that are organic and not chemically altered or created are tolerated. and are available to sell with proper taxing, and they only have 60% of the weed smokers America has by correlation.
parents.

yup, but let me give some extra info on that because it did have some side effects...
First of all, is not really all the organic drugs that are tolerated. Its weed that is what you call tolerated, but that doesnt mean they arent on the forbidden list. Its just that there is a policy that the police will not arrest you for less then 5 grams (labelled own use) or 5 plants in your house. So its not really illegal, but not legal either..
Now for the side effect, the legalisation has created a race to make the strongest weed possible. Honestly, we actually have shops that sell the stuff to grow (dubbed growshops) , and let me tell you , the weed thats available nowadays is nothing like the stuff popularised in the 60s and 70s. Right now we have gotten to the point where someone who uses is practically useless for about 3 full hours, not being able to do anything but lie on a couch.
For me enough reason to satirically call every pothead a junkie, which isnt such a bad description either because you really can get hooked on that stuff these days and get into a habit!

But I must agree with a couple of the previous posters that it is up to the family to educate their kids about enjoyment, moderation and discipline.... Which is for me what this all comes down too.

On the previous subject, we are counting down to our own smoking ban here, coming in effect in a couple of months...So I'm not really feeling your pain, but sadly in a short time I will.....

[mrgatorman]

Its unfortunate that the government feels the need to "protect" us under the guise that were not smart enough to make our own decisions. At the same time, we sometimes see the need for regulation and lawsuits to recover from poor decisions we make in our everyday life. Mc Donalds...I eat Quarter Pounders all my life...bloat to 900 pounds and sue McD's because their hamburgers made me fat. Buy hot coffee, spill it on myself and sue McD's tier coffee was too hot. There was a guy in Mich that had a lawnmower running. He decided to move it from one spot to another while it was on by picking it up from the deck. His fingers were basically chopped up and he sues the company for not putting a warning sign on it.

Amazing stupid people in this world...so now the govt takes these concepts and says to the citizenship of the jurisdictions they supposedly serve and regulate everything. Now anyone who has three brain cells has to be caught up in the regulation of stupidity. And regulation that is way overkill of the actual problem it was designed to help.

Too bad.

[foolwithnohair]

Originally Posted by nootje

yup, but let me give some extra info on that because it did have some side effects...
First of all, is not really all the organic drugs that are tolerated. Its weed that is what you call tolerated, but that doesnt mean they arent on the forbidden list. Its just that there is a policy that the police will not arrest you for less then 5 grams (labelled own use) or 5 plants in your house. So its not really illegal, but not legal either..

Every few years, Canada tries to do something similar, but our neighbour to the south gets really upset.

Now for the side effect, the legalisation has created a race to make the strongest weed possible.

If you do a search on Youtube for "Katt Williams" you'll see that this is true in the USA as well. When comics like Williams start making fun of the strength of weed ...

Anyhow, keeping pot illegal applies just as much pressure to make the weed as strong as possible - as the penalties are tiered to quantity.

But I must agree with a couple of the previous posters that it is up to the family to educate their kids about enjoyment, moderation and discipline.... Which is for me what this all comes down too.

This is a sentiment that I think most of us agree with, but the reality is that marketing and advertising build demand and work. The prescription drug market in the US is the latest textbook example.

On the previous subject, we are counting down to our own smoking ban here, coming in effect in a couple of months...So I'm not really feeling your pain, but sadly in a short time I will.....

Won't the smoking ban will essentially shut down the "coffee houses" there?

[nootje]

Well, as far as growing is concerned... I'm just amazed about how far it has come the last ten years.. If they'd just put their efforts into something more constructive....

As the smoking ban goes, that only applies to the smoking of TOBACCO, so you can see which way that is going to go...

Owh well, some of my favorite restaurants are building smoking lounges to avoid the smoking ban and so is the cigar shop...so ill live

[foolwithnohair]

Originally Posted by nootje

Well, as far as growing is concerned... I'm just amazed about how far it has come the last ten years.. If they'd just put their efforts into something more constructive....

As the smoking ban goes, that only applies to the smoking of TOBACCO, so you can see which way that is going to go...

Owh well, some of my favorite restaurants are building smoking lounges to avoid the smoking ban and so is the cigar shop...so ill live

We've got plenty of grow shops here, for, ah, herbs.

So people can smoke pot in a coffee shop, but not tobacco. I guess it is only me that finds such things so hilarious. Too many tourist dollars at stake, I guess.

... and if you can have lounges, then you'll be fine. We lost lounges a long time ago ... now we're into how many metres one has to be away from a building to be able to smoke.:eeek:

[nootje]

Well thats the thing, the law is only concerned about the employees that have to work in smoke.. And I sort of agree with them, its not really their choice so they might have a point...

As far as smoking weed goes and the tourists... Banning it would'nt make a dent in our national budget, too many other taxes and overzealous goverment officials with speedomoters...talking about funny, they even include speeding tickets on the budget as fixed income...

But I understand correctly that you guys cannot smoke directly in front of a building? Whats next, getting a permission to s**w you girlfriend/wife?

[ksnake]

Originally Posted by baldheadracing

We lost lounges a long time ago ... now we're into how many metres one has to be away from a building to be able to smoke.:eeek:

Do they think that buildings can get cancer?

[foolwithnohair]

Originally Posted by nootje

But I understand correctly that you guys cannot smoke directly in front of a building? Whats next, getting a permission to s**w you girlfriend/wife?

Yup on the buildings.

As for sex, in 1967, Trudeau said, "There's no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation."

:mrcool:

[Fatmandu]

Originally Posted by mrgatorman

Its unfortunate that the government feels the need to "protect" us under the guise that were not smart enough to make our own decisions. At the same time, we sometimes see the need for regulation and lawsuits to recover from poor decisions we make in our everyday life. Mc Donalds...I eat Quarter Pounders all my life...bloat to 900 pounds and sue McD's because their hamburgers made me fat. Buy hot coffee, spill it on myself and sue McD's tier coffee was too hot. There was a guy in Mich that had a lawnmower running. He decided to move it from one spot to another while it was on by picking it up from the deck. His fingers were basically chopped up and he sues the company for not putting a warning sign on it.

Amazing stupid people in this world...so now the govt takes these concepts and says to the citizenship of the jurisdictions they supposedly serve and regulate everything. Now anyone who has three brain cells has to be caught up in the regulation of stupidity. And regulation that is way overkill of the actual problem it was designed to help.

Too bad.

Hummmm, wonder if I could get a lawsuit against Larry Flynn or Heff cuz I've got carpal-tunnel syndrom! Anyhow, kid'n aside, was informed today that KC., Mo. just got whooped by a smoking ban. Don't know any of the details but maybe someone from OUTLAW or ER Doc can chime in.