Women and Cigars

[tx_tuff]

I didn't see a insult or a racism comment. I think you just don't like somebody doing to you that you have done to the women who have posted in this thread.

[TanithT]

Originally Posted by CasualAdventurer

I've communicated a love for the fairer sex and for all of life

Ever seen the movie "Boxing Helena"? Arguably one of the creepiest flicks of all time. Basically, there's this guy, and he really loves this girl, and he thinks she's beautiful, and he doesn't want her to leave him. So he amputates all her limbs and keeps her in a box under his bed.

So, yeah. Love. It may be what makes the world go round, but I can definitely live without the creepier expressions of it.

[baddddmonkey]

Originally Posted by Sweet_Cigars

I have gotten so use to smoking cigars with the wife that now if I smoke by myself, it kinda sucks. Don't get me wrong I enjoy the smoke but the social company part that is associated with the whole experience is missing which makes a BIG difference in the whole experience. Moral of my point.

Woman smoking cigars is great!

Same with me Sweet C! I always try to get the girlfriend to come out and smoke with me. Where I live, I don't have any friends that like to smoke. It's also hard to make new friends in this town when everything is centered around alcohol. Which I don't drink anymore. Anyway, basically I think it is just a great feeling when my lady comes outside and enjoys a smoke with me.

This last spring break I was at home and visiting one of my smokin buddies. His girlfriend was smoking an Oliva V Lancero. So she is a bad-ass on her own.

Smoking with a male or female friend doesn't matter to me, just as long as if you have someone to smoke with. It just makes it so much better. I would prefer a female friend though, they smell better than any of my friends and they are better looking too!

[CasualAdventurer]

Originally Posted by TanithT

Ever seen the movie "Boxing Helena"? Arguably one of the creepiest flicks of all time. Basically, there's this guy, and he really loves this girl, and he thinks she's beautiful, and he doesn't want her to leave him. So he amputates all her limbs and keeps her in a box under his bed.

So, yeah. Love. It may be what makes the world go round, but I can definitely live without the creepier expressions of it.

You think I'm creepy? Really? Wow... okay.

[Cypress]

Originally Posted by CasualAdventurer

You think I'm creepy? Really? Wow... okay.

I think that if this childish bickering does not stop the thread will be closed. There have been some well and not so well expressed views on the subject. I would like to see these views and not wonder who is creepy and who is not. In fact if you stay around here a bit you can figure out who is and isn't and keep it to yourself. Thanks.

[madurolover]

The only woman I would look at sexually while they are smoking is my girlfriend. Of course she is the only one I look at that way period. I do enjoy smoking cigars with women though. As a matter of fact I enjoy it as much as smoking with men. I wonder why? Oh yeah, it is because I am sharing the experience of smoking a good cigar with someone who is doing the same. A great part of the cigar experience is the comraderie that comes along with it and I enjoy that whether it be a man or woman.

[TanithT]

Originally Posted by CasualAdventurer

You think I'm creepy? Really? Wow... okay.

This is not intended as a personal attack. I don't know you personally; I am making general social commentary on an attitude and a behavior. Contrary to popular mythology, love is not always enough, and sometimes it is a bad justification for some very unpleasant things.

The objectification/sexualization of women really is pretty creepy if you think about it. When taken to an extreme, the results are horror movie fodder. Even when the sentiment is expressed fairly mildly by men who are not likely to turn a woman into a living rendition of Venus de Milo, I do find it deeply disturbing to be regarded as something other than a normal adult human being.

I'm not an object. Like you, I'm a person, a human being, and I want to live my life and relate to other people in a pretty ordinary, drama-free and healthy way. I really don't want any gender-related tension or stress in my life. That stuff might have been kind of fun when I was a hormonal teenager, but I've largely lost my patience for it as a working adult, especially in a professional context. My attitude can be summed up as, "Talk to me like a normal adult human being, or don't, please. If you insist on role-playing, we might as well haul out the Dungeons and Dragons books and have some fun with it, since we aren't going to get anything else done."

In a personal context, what I look for in a man is someone who is capable of being my best friend and partner, someone who really thinks of me as another human being just like him. Not "separate but equal"; the deep gulf and chasm that creates is one that would leave me feeling lonely even in a marriage bed. Together, as partners, and most importantly as people.

Guys who don't get that are very hard for me to relate to, and mostly I'd rather not. I do have the best friend and partner I've always wanted, so it's not like I'm looking. But I still find it hard to relate socially to guys who really don't think of women as fellow human beings, friends and potential partners, but more as objects d'art. And if they're really extreme in the attitude, I might start looking around for where they keep the box, and quietly edging towards the door. That's how it makes me feel.

Just a bit of insight into what it feels like from this side, guys. Take it or leave it as you will.

[biged843]

I never knew there were so many different thoughts on women smoking cigars. Me personally, I say the more the merrier. Everybody I come in contact with, man or woman, I try to introduce them to cigars. I thought that was the point. I'll enjoy a cigar with just about anybody.

When it comes to women and cigars, I see no problem with it. In fact I encourage it. The Cigar shop I manage outside Charleston, SC we just had I second ladies night. It when very well and the ladies have a great time.

And just from business prespective, women give us a new stream of income. They are a market that has not been marketed to enough. I think that is a mistake the cigar industry has made and I'm trying to change that at the shop I run.

[Blaylock]

Originally Posted by Cypress

There have been some well and not so well expressed views on the subject. I would like to see these views... Thanks.

...agree with Sam.

Originally Posted by CasualAdventurer

Where's the fun in that? It's like watching the sky slowly fade to black with the sunset to your back -- you miss out on the best part of the day! Enjoying a woman for the shear fact that she is a woman doesn't have to be sexual, its an appreciation much like that of enjoying a good cigar, a fine wine, or a masterpiece of art. I hope I am the kind of man that inspires women to appreciate mankind.

Originally Posted by TanithT

This is not intended as a personal attack. I don't know you personally; I am making general social commentary on an attitude and a behavior. Contrary to popular mythology, love is not always enough, and sometimes it is a bad justification for some very unpleasant things....

I'd like to see this get back on track from both/all parties. I think we all understand how you feel about the topic being discussed; and I don't think anymore "bantering" back and forth is going to get any thing resolved, or "enlighten" anyone anymore than it already has.

Back on topic: I think it's great that more women are getting into the enjoyment of smoking cigars!

[TanithT]

Originally Posted by Blaylock

Back on topic: I think it's great that more women are getting into the enjoyment of smoking cigars!

I agree. I definitely enjoy having female smoking buddies, though they've been few and far between as a rule. "Cigarqueen" and I used to majorly paint the town back when we both hung out on alt.smokers.cigars on Usenet and lived in the San Francisco Bay area. I do miss those days and hope to find more herfing companions both male and female where I live now (Raleigh, NC).

[CasualAdventurer]

Originally Posted by Cypress

I think that if this childish bickering does not stop the thread will be closed. There have been some well and not so well expressed views on the subject. I would like to see these views and not wonder who is creepy and who is not. In fact if you stay around here a bit you can figure out who is and isn't and keep it to yourself. Thanks.

Thanks dad!

[uli2000]

Dont know any ladies who like cigars personally (my wife certainly doesnt), but I would have no prob smoking with any woman who does.

[Acesfull]

my gf likes to go for long ashes when she smokes..



she did that one last night

[MrRogers]

I'm sure there are some serious female smokers out there as evidenced by the women in this thread but I think they are few and far between to say the least. I've always thought the profiles CA would do on female smokers were silly. If you want to write a piece on Demi Moore go ahead, but don't stick a cigar in her hand, write a blurb on how she likes mild panatelas, and expect us to think she is a serious smoker. I think that if I were a women I would find that a bit irritating.

A women wanting to be one of the guys and lighting up at a cigar bar once a year does not constitute a rise in female cigar smokers (nor does the guy who lights up annually at the company picnic or golf game). I don't see cigar smoking as a completely "male activity" and am glad to see serious female smokers in the forum.

MrR

[MrRogers]

Woops. Sorry cypress. Wont happen again.

MrR