Cool looking old Cigar.

[rottenzombie]

Originally Posted by veteranvmb

that would be the seventies, when they had a huge migration of illegal jamaicans to the area. All you had were drug and gun dealers. It was like the wild west, only a lot more dangerous.

We did something called verticals which is a lot of laughs. yeah right. You would go to a 20 story or so housing project, and walk up the stairwell, all the way to roof and unto the roof. Most of my discharges of my weapons in my career were during these lovely times at 0200 in the morning.

They though nothing about using their guns. This was before most of us wore vests. Its mandatory now. And the firearm we carried was a .38 wheel gun. When the bad guys were using ingram mac 10,s, 45 ,s,, semi automatics, uzis, sawed off shotties, etc.

It wasnt till around the ninties did we get the go ahead for automatic 9mm weapons. Now that is so underpowered. We had to use full metal jacket cartridges which were horrible for policing. After the diallo fiasco, did they allow us to switch to jacketed hollow point.
You cant do police work with full metal jackets. If you do not understand why, just ask, and I will explain.

Much regards Jerry

OK why?


I have never been in law enforcement but have 2 uncles who are.I have the utmost respect for people who are.


well maby except for DOT.....Just Kidding...

[ejgarnut]

My advice to anyone planning on smoking one that size - have a beer with it for cryin out loud!

[Wolf4Fun]

Originally Posted by ejgarnut

My advice to anyone planning on smoking one that size - have a beer with it for cryin out loud!

Your right about the beer, but it had better be a kegger...

[veteranvmb]

Originally Posted by rottenzombie

OK why?


I have never been in law enforcement but have 2 uncles who are.I have the utmost respect for people who are.


well maby except for DOT.....Just Kidding...

One thing if you are using full metal jacket cartridges, like is required in the military by internation agreements,is that the cartridge is made to go high speed and go through the target. (I am trying to simplify this. )
It is fine for rifles like the military nato round, that depends on high speed to take an enemy out. (.223) In iraq it was not a great round and we used the ak,s whenever we could find one, but you carried less ammo.

So LIke the adamo thing in new york, a guy in an apartment building small entranceway, a small room with a door to get in and then another door to get into the building, when the four officers shot at him , the bullets went right though him and he didnt go down.

We are taught to keep fireing till the threat is no longer. If the officers were firing their 9mm plus p semi jacketed holly points, it wouldve expanded and he would have went down. There is sometimes no way with a full metal jacket that you knwo you hit your target.

Also if you are firing and there is a slightest chance a bullet can go through their intended target and hit an innocent bystander, this will usually not happen with a hollow point.

So after that incident, the good people of new york, who said jacketed hollow points were cruel, immediately wanted us to go back to them after the inciddent.
hollow points expand when they go into flesh, and cause a more severe injury.

I hope this rudimentary explains the situation.
Now if were were allowed to carry proper .45 sidearms, it would be a different story.

Jerry