B&M suicide by stocking mistakes by demographic?

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by stogie_kanobie_one

While again I agree with you in principal, that Libertine in me cries out live and let live.

I think you meant Libertarian, not libertine.

lib·er·tar·i·an
n.

1. One who advocates maximizing individual rights and minimizing the role of the state.
2. One who believes in free will.

lib·er·tine
n.

1. One who acts without moral restraint; a dissolute person.
2. One who defies established religious precepts; a freethinker.

adj.<dl><dd>Morally unrestrained; dissolute.</dd></dl>

Unless you didn't.

[[OT] Loki]

actually the hookahs they sell are able to be used in a legal manner. It seems that many on this site use them in such a way. I know many people that use cigars to smoke illegal substances.

[TU09]

The local head shop here doesn't sell cigars but includes a small unmarked bag of pipe tobacco with the purchase of pipes, bongs, sliders, etc.

[fl0at]

Libertine actually works:
2. One who defies established religious precepts; a freethinker.

In this country, opinion is religion.

[mikey202]

Well..i live in a college town , so the 2 major B&M's are cigar/headshops/**** shops....its all about money and what sells.As far as cigars go, they have a good selection, but the sales reps won't let them sell high end cigars like Opus x and so forth.

[par]

I applaud you. I personally try to steer my business (and money) to reputable shops who do not provide alternate use tobacco paraphenilia. Having seen some close friends from my school years walk down into the mental wasteland of heavy drug use and ultimately die from it has made me object to someone making money out of another persons ultimate path to selfdestruction.

And based on all research and personal interactions i've experienced, for the vast majority that is on heavy drugs like meth, crack, crank etc -there are very few who can keep their habit under control. Much of the glass pipes etc aren't there for smoking a bit pof pot, it's for the heavy stuff that really messes up people.

[Lumpold]

Maybe this guy has had to start sellin bon... water pipes (for legal tobaccoo use) because too many people think 'dropping in once in a while to buy a few singles to support my B&M' will keep a shop afloat.... if all his custom now buys from the net, and then picks up one or two singles every once in a while, then maybe those freakin stoners are the people keeping the shop afloat, and not you.

[punch]

This situation confuses me. I was told that a shop at a certain location was a head shop that sold cigars. I thought to myself "Ah, the best of both worlds!". When I went there, they had cigars but no head. Only drug related crap. What a bummer!

[celticgent]

Originally Posted by par

I applaud you. I personally try to steer my business (and money) to reputable shops who do not provide alternate use tobacco paraphenilia. Having seen some close friends from my school years walk down into the mental wasteland of heavy drug use and ultimately die from it has made me object to someone making money out of another persons ultimate path to selfdestruction.

Devil's advocate:

Many studies have shown that tobacco use can give people cancer and kill them.

Many studies have shown that alcohol use can kill people.

Many studies have shown that knives and bullets from guns kill people.


Therefore, do you boycott shops that sell cigars & cigarettes, liquor stores, grocery stores and gas stations that sell beer, and department stores that sell guns and knives?

Hey, I also applaud doing what you think is right.
I just want to put it out there that simply because certain people cannot handle the resposibility of gun or knife ownership, alcohol or weed, doesn't mean that those items need to be vilified.

For the record: I only smoke tobacco, but I think that mariajuana is no more dangerous than alcohol and should be legalized and taxed up the wazoo (like booze).

Oh, and if the response is "Well drugs are illegal, and people use the pipes for an illegal substance." , my question is Do you boycott stores that sell radar detectors (in states where they are illegal to use) and elecronics stores that sell pirate cable boxes?

Edit: this was not meant as a response to only par or to single out par. It's just something I thought about while reading all the posts in this thread.

[stogie_kanobie_one]

Originally Posted by Aaron

I think you meant Libertarian, not libertine.

lib·er·tar·i·an
n.

1. One who advocates maximizing individual rights and minimizing the role of the state.
2. One who believes in free will.

lib·er·tine
n.

1. One who acts without moral restraint; a dissolute person.
2. One who defies established religious precepts; a freethinker.

adj.<dl><dd>Morally unrestrained; dissolute.</dd></dl>

Unless you didn't.

You are absolutely right in this case....... But (there are times when I mean libertine).

[God]

Originally Posted by Cigar Hound

I agree and applaud your view on this. A "respectable" tobacconist should be a place where the finer things are sold.

I'm with you brother....

[Fumioso]

There's a phony B&M near me that specializes in tiny pipes and such. I went into their humidor exactly once and saw a box of Macanudos compeletely riddled with beetle holes. I informed the lady at the desk that she may have a problem in the cigar department, and then I had to explain what tobacco beetles are and what they do. She seemed rather concerned, but then had to attend to another customer buying several cartons of Generic cigarettes. Needless to say, I haven't been back. I take grave umbrage at abuse of cigars. Bongs, ****, bad music, not so much.

Celebrate freedom: let your neighbors do something you don't approve of. (As long as it doesn't harm the children or frighten the horses.)

[kevkersey]

Originally Posted by replicant_argent

I have a fourteen year old daughter, she has never been to a tobacconist with me, but I think the presence of that crap not only perpetuates that lousy "gangsta" BS, but I would rather her think of a tobacconist as a place where respectable people shop for fine goods.

Screw it, there are 15 shops just like his within 15 miles of me probably. The guy at the desk probably doesn't give a shit, and is not intelligent enough to relay my views to the owner of the store and is short-sighted enough not to realize that enough people like me could have him searching for a job if business is bad enough.

Then again, they probably have a higher profit margin and sales figures from all their meth and dope related junk.

Sounds very different than the B&M stores around me (NYC). They are all regular tobacconists. JR (on 5th Ave) is one of the few that don't sell other things like expensive pens, ties, etc. There is also a Nat Sherman, two Davidoff's and a couple of other very nice establishments. And the pipes sold in some of these stores are probably way too expensive for meth heads. Which is just as well.

I applaud your decision to frequent other places. It's just a shame that there is business out there for places like though.

Kevin

[Lumpold]

Originally Posted by celticgent

Devil's advocate:

Many studies have shown that tobacco use can give people cancer and kill them.

Many studies have shown that alcohol use can kill people.

Many studies have shown that knives and bullets from guns kill people.

Many down and out crack heads use empty drinks cans as crack pipes, do we avoid places that sell canned beverages too?

[TideRoll]

Good for you for voting with your feet and your dollars. That is exactly how a free market is supposed to function. I would not patronize a tobacco shop that sold to kids and I would not support a shop of any variety that knowingly catered to crackheads and meth users. I don't care for head shops, though I don't know that they really cater to the meth and crack user, since apparently all you need is a discarded beer can for those activities. When you just stole from your 90 year old grandmother to buy some crack, I don't know that you are going to be looking for a nice $50 pipe from which to use it.

There is a fundamental flaw to the portion of the argument equating guns and bullets and gun shops with products sold in a head shop. If a gun store is knowingly selling guns they know are going to be used illegally they are in fact breaking the law in so doing, and they don't need to be in business, and I know gun store owners who would say that more vociferously than I just did. A gun is not designed to specifically engage in an activity which is illegal. Is there another use for a water bong, really? Of all the water bongs in the entire world, how many are used to smoke Prince Albert? Have you ever heard of anyone using a one-hitter for their cherry blend pipe tobacco?