Unofficial CS Presidential Poll

[WACigar]

Flip Flop: I agree, because Bush took such swift and strong action the terrorists will no doubt think twice about attcking us while he is in office. I'm not sure the same can be said about Kerry and that is why I'm not 100% sure I'd vote for him, or, as I said, vote against Bush.

[CigarHoss]

I think that the most important thing is that you guys (and gals) get out and make sure you make it TO the polls to ensure that these great opinions be voiced. I posted a message in the "everything but cigars" room with a link that will help you get registered if you have not.

If you're undecided, or have any questions as to who to vote for, and need simple answers, please feel free to send me a message. I do vote conservative, but will keep an open mind.

[Treyjo43]

Originally Posted by Lord Hammer

I rest my case..."I'm not qualified" .

LOL, nice save

[mr.c]

Funny how only 1 person (out of 30)that served with him, supports his campaign.Unfit to serve : swiftboat crewmen speak out

[rkt]

I have talked with about 20 young men who are currently in Iraq. They were home on their two week leave, one of them is my nephew. Everyone of them is hoping Bush gets re-elected. Their exact quote was "Bush better win or our asses are in a world of shit." They are from 19 yr olds that are there, getting mortar fire, sweating in 140 degree heat in full combat gear and body armor(that Kerry voted against funding for), and getting shot at almost daily. I have to respect that.

One of my good friends just got his call up orders. He is a Lt Colonel. He hopes Bush wins too and he is a minority.

Another friend is a Navy Commander (Ret 33 yrs of service) and he wants Bush to win.

All Clinton did was wag his finger and say we are gonna get those bad guys.
Bush took it to their door step. Same as Reagan bombed Khadaffi(sp) house in Iran. We not gonna take it!

Terrorist would not release hostages to Carter because they knew he wouldn't do anything but as soon as Reagan got in office they released them.
Terrorist planned and executed attacks on embassies and the WTC while Clinton cut military, FBI and CIA budgets. 9-11 happened because we were weak. They thought we would wag our finger one more time and go shame shame. Just this weak Pakistan captured a suspect in one of the 97 embassy bombing in Africa. Good! Let them know we are still looking for them and we will not let up.

As Adm. Yamamoto told the Emperor of Japan. Do not attack the United States. You will wake a sleeping giant.

[IHT]

RKT, since you're on the southern missouri side of KC, and my brother is from Springfield, they aren't in the same units are they?

my bro is in something called 117th AVCRAD, which is some helicopter unit.

i'm asking because my bro was just home on his 2 weeks R&R, he goes back on the 30th or 31st.

he's told me, and everyone else in his contact list to NOT listen to the liberal media. all the soldiers are sick of it over there. they get a few different papers, and the main one is "the Stars & Stripes", and they take stories from newspapers around the states... most of them are liberal articles that only talk about how bad things are, nothing about the good stuff they're doing, etc. they're just tired of that side of the media portraying the negative stuff, which is only about 4% of the country of iraq....

[Bruce5]

I do not agree with everything that Bush does,
I do not agree with all republican or democrats on current issues.
I do however think Bush is the best choice as our President.

[El Rey del Mundo]

Who is the Libertarian Party´s candidate? I become a liberatarian myself after reading Ayn Rand and F.A. Hayek. Hayek, who the great great Ludwig von Mises called a socialist.

Isnt it time to end the embargo against Cuba?

There isnt just socialists in Sweden:

http://www.johannorberg.net/

[relaxnsmoke]

Are you guys actually attacking a Vietnam Vet? Why not just "compare Military Records?" Only one Vietnam Vet who served with Kerry supports him? That has already been proven false and is on record in the media in full context. President George W. Bushs' campaign is working very hard as I type this, to steer the topic as far away from Kerry's Military record as much as possible. W's campaign is tight, smart and well run, they realize that dog won't hunt. Mr. O'Neill (a swiftboat crewmember) must of missed the sailing across the Boston Harbor. Drudge loves this stuff, I do too, but between the two candidates, I'd rather be the one with too many Purple Hearts than not enough pay stubs.

I am not overly impressed with either gentlemen running for office, but I never hesitate to shake the hand of someone who puts themselves in the line of fire for my freedom. These Accusations are just that. Purple Hearts are not given lightly, ask someone who has one, I've spent the last 3 years working along side a fellow who earned his Purple Heart defending my freedom in Vietnam. I may not agree with what a man does, says or thinks, but trying to belittle a Vietnam Vet is just below the surface.

[sleepyjim]

A VNV or a WW2 or GW vets aint the issue, all have good and crap in them, to me what really stinks about Kerry and his BS is very simple:

1 He flip plops on most things.

2 Very anti military, look up his voting record, he voted against almost every major weapon system we have.

3 He served in Nam I dont care how long or what ever, he was there, W did his part as well again I dont split hairs, they both served, Clinton ran away so both to me are better men, the issue I have is this, he was an officer, yet comes home and testifies how all the men are raping, killin innocents and such, why didnt he report ANYONE when he was there? either he lied in testifying or he did not do his duty as an officer.

4 His testimony and the meeting with the communist and the whole fonda gate thing is enough to turn my stomic, I am a combat vet and I would spit in ANYONES face who blanketly describes our servicemebers as he did. And I personally think it was hurtful to our troops in Nam for him the meet with the commies and denouce American involvement.

The bottom line is this, we are at war and will be for the rest of our lives, terrorist are NEVER going away, I would rather fight in another countrues yard than ours, and I think W has done a great job as a war President.

Ask yourself this simple question: Who would the terrorist want in the Whitehouse? Answer an anti military, pro UN, do nothing till we must, they want Kerry.

Here is a link that reveals much: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...3002-8027r.htm

Jim
Thank God we live in a place where we can even discuss this!

[kansashat]

Originally Posted by Bruce5

I do not agree with everything that Bush does,
I do not agree with all republican or democrats on current issues.
I do however think Bush is the best choice as our President.

I think Bruce5 pretty well sums up how I feel. I am a political independent who thinks with his head & feels with his heart. I do not let either one totally run my life.

[mr.c]

Getting a little tired of kerry rolling out the "I am vietnam vet war hero" every where he goes. Thank you for your service John BUT Why did you lie infront of the senate? Why did you call your "band of brothers" Murderers, rapists, baby killers at the senate hearing infront of millions?? you got to be friggin kidding me. I cant wait for the debates, your gonna get creamed


Any one read the interview from Gen. Tommy Franks (retired) ? He has a book comming out. Good read, cant wait to get the book.

[relaxnsmoke]

Originally Posted by mr.c

Getting a little tired of kerry rolling out the "I am vietnam vet war hero" every where he goes. Thank you for your service John BUT Why did you lie infront of the senate? Why did you call your "band of brothers" Murderers, rapists, baby killers at the senate hearing infront of millions?? you got to be friggin kidding me. I cant wait for the debates, your gonna get creamed

All due respect mr. c, Vietnam was a quagmire, Mr. Kerry never called any individual he fought along with that or any other soldier. It was the policy. He was one of millions of USA citizens that saw a need to get out of Vietnam. We left that war in the most dignified way possible. I have no heartache with you disagreeing with Kerry, but he fought in this war, experienced firsthand what was happening, so did a lot of us my age, I'm not about to disparage anybody who fought the war, or helped end Vietnam. Richard Nixon was elected into this after JFK was assasinated and LBJ bailed, he didn't want it, but he was hired to do a job and he did it, he ended it with what was the most Honor he could find.

I really never considered Kerry's military experience until this thread, but the facts are what they are, the Debates will be amazing.

I am not a Bush nor Kerry supporter, but Vietnam was devasting in all aspects, the veterans of that war were shunned when they came home, that was and still is wrong. He is but one of thousands of vets who disagreed with the war. That's just the way of it.

[sleepyjim]

Originally Posted by relaxnsmoke

All due respect mr. c, Vietnam was a quagmire, Mr. Kerry never called any individual he fought along with that or any other soldier.
The hell he didnt, he called them that during testamony, Aint gonna fly here !

It was the policy.
Policy? BS If any crap happened it was not the US Policy

He was one of millions of USA citizens that saw a need to get out of Vietnam. We left that war in the most dignified way possible.
Wrong, it was crap from the start and the reason people protested was on how the Police Action was done, If we let the Generals/Commanders run it we are OK, Politicions screw everything up, VN and IRAQ.

I have no heartache with you disagreeing with Kerry, but he fought in this war, experienced firsthand what was happening, so did a lot of us my age, I'm not about to disparage anybody who fought the war, or helped end Vietnam. Richard Nixon was elected into this after JFK was assasinated and LBJ bailed, he didn't want it, but he was hired to do a job and he did it, he ended it with what was the most Honor he could find.
NOPE he was forced to politicize it, hell Kissinger had to talk him outta droppin the bomb, so yes Nixon wanted to fight a war but was forced not to.

I really never considered Kerry's military experience until this thread, but the facts are what they are, the Debates will be amazing.

I am not a Bush nor Kerry supporter, but Vietnam was devasting in all aspects, the veterans of that war were shunned when they came home, that was and still is wrong.
Agreed, truley a discrace how this country turn on her sons!

He is but one of thousands of vets who disagreed with the war. That's just the way of it.

Yep but not many did things that caused the enemy to gain confidence and endager our troops

Jim

[relaxnsmoke]

Nixon felt betrayed by not only politicians, also the pentagon itself. Kissinger was and is one very intellingent man. (He would go to Disneyland to relieve stress while Nixon was staying at San Clemente, sometimes selling popcorn, sometimes giving tours, it's true.)

http://www.mishalov.com/Nixon_unraveling_war.html

I not defending Kerrys' campaign or his war record and anti-war stance. The horror of Vietnam was in the daily death counts, his testimony was part of a momentum to slow this. He has never denied any of this and either has any other Vet who opposed the Vietnam War. Nor have the millions of USA citizens.

All Vietnam Vets deserve to be respected and honored, I'm surrounded by Vietnam Vets daily, some like Kerry, some like Bush....

Attacking the man's voting record is a much more reasonable effort than his military record. According to all I've read, Kerry is in for some deep doo doo.
August is going to be one huge AttackFest for the Republicans and Democrats.