Schwarzenegger in trouble for Cuban?

[wilblake]

Originally Posted by emeraldsmoke

CC are illegal to smoke in the US & illegal for US citizens to purchase & smoke outside of the US.

If someone gifts you one outside of the US and you smoke it outside the US that is legal.

You're contradicting yourself?

It's illegal for US citizens to consume (smoke) Cuban products on OR off US soil.


http://www.tobacco.org/news/178471.html

The United States Treasury Department has tightened its prohibitions against U.S. citizens importing or consuming Cuban cigars.

The department's Office of Foreign Assets Control has announced in a notice posted on the Internet that even Americans licensed to bring back up to $100 worth of Cuban goods will no longer be allowed to include tobacco products in what they carry. Previously, those licensed were exempted from what was otherwise a total import ban on Cuban tobacco products.

The notice also clarifies that Americans are barred from not only purchasing Cuban goods in foreign countries, but also from consuming them in those countries.

Full article: http://voanews.com/english/archive/2...0-06-40-US.cfm

[BigJon]

There, Schwarzenegger picked up a Cuban Partagas cigar in a shop, with the [SIZE=4]$14.83 bill paid by an aide traveling with him[/SIZE]
That is a way out!!! He never bought it and the law says you can not spend any money on cuban stuffSo he is good it is his aide that is F'ed

Hey brother...the law also says you can't consume something from Cuba either. They could both be in hot water.

Edit: Sorry wilblake...I don't know how I missed your message. You are very spot on.

[guy g]

Brainwashed...Naw. For me Rush is informative whether someone else belives him or not.(which I do) Better than "I voted for the war before I voted against it." To clarify my politics... I am more conservative than Ronald Reagan. Those beliefs have have proved successful in my life.I just need to work on my communication skills.

[RaiderinKS]

Originally Posted by guy g

Brainwashed...Naw. For me Rush is informative whether someone else belives him or not.(which I do) Better than "I voted for the war before I voted against it." To clarify my politics... I am more conservative than Ronald Reagan. Those beliefs have have proved successful in my life.I just need to work on my communication skills.

Personal political views and life success are unrelated unless serving in a public domain. But whatever makes it easier on you, *shrug*. However, I can say the following with complete and total conviction:

Living in KS, I get to listen to overtly brazen "conservatives" (republicans) talk about idiotic crap non-stop.
Most of it is idiotic crap. The more of it you hear, the more you realize how baseless most of it is.
When you then listen to Rush, he sounds just like the vast sea of political nutjobs infesting the fine state of KS.

[jdean33442]

Uhm, the same can be said about any political rant. I don't think this is only a conservative phenomenon.

But if ragging on the right makes it easier on you then be my guest.

I listen to Rush because he secretly encodes where to score prescription painkillers in each of his shows.

Originally Posted by RaiderinKS

Personal political views and life success are unrelated unless serving in a public domain. But whatever makes it easier on you, *shrug*. However, I can say the following with complete and total conviction:

Living in KS, I get to listen to overtly brazen "conservatives" (republicans) talk about idiotic crap non-stop.
Most of it is idiotic crap. The more of it you hear, the more you realize how baseless most of it is.
When you then listen to Rush, he sounds just like the vast sea of political nutjobs infesting the fine state of KS.

[Cadillac]

He was over at my place on my deck smoking a Monte #2 with me. I'd post pictures, but can't get my camera to work.

[PadronMe]

Originally Posted by jdean33442

I listen to Rush because he secretly encodes where to score prescription painkillers in each of his shows.

. I love a sense of humor.

[accorddude]

Originally Posted by guy g

Somethings not quite right. when I 've gone to Baja, I was subject to Mexican laws. It doesnt ring that if you buy a cigar legally in Canada and consume it legally under their laws that the US could have anything to say. Plus, has it been confirmed it was a Cuban?

The principle of law that is in effect for the US embargo against Cuba is an old Germanic principle if I recall where you carry the law with you. Carrying the law with you though does not mean that you will not be subject to other local jurisdictions. In the case of buying a Cuban cigar as a United States Citizen it is illegal to buy a product from an embargoed country. So if I go to Mexico or England or whereever I carry that law with me. I will also be subject to the local law of the land.

humm i hope that cleared it up some...

[guy g]

Thanks for the info. I guess I'll have to go to a non extridition country to try one!(LOL) guy

[Mr.Lordi]

The point of the embargo is to keep money away from Cuba, right? What I don't understand is how buying a CC in Canada is illegal when the money you are using to pay for it isn't going to the Cubans. The B&M all ready paid for the product so the money goes to them, NOT Cubans. You can say the B&M will just use the money to buy more Cubans, but there is no proof that your money will go to buy more Cubans, just speculation.

Sure it is illegal to ingest Cuban products, but what does that mean?


The <cite>American Heritage Dictionary</cite> define ingest as:

in·gest (ĭn-jěst')
<!--BOF_HEAD--><!--EOF_HEAD--><!--BOF_SUBHEAD--> tr.v. in·gest·ed, in·gest·ing, in·gests
<!--EOF_SUBHEAD--> <!--BOF_DEF-->

1. To take into the body by the mouth for digestion or absorption. See Synonyms at eat.
2. To take in and absorb as food

Last I knew CC are NOT food, so they are NOT ingested. You're not even absorbing the smoke, so no law broken here.

They also define Consume as

con·sume
<!--BOF_HEAD--><!--EOF_HEAD--><!--BOF_SUBHEAD--> v. con·sumed, con·sum·ing, con·sumes
<!--EOF_SUBHEAD--><!--BOF_DEF--><!--EOF_DEF-->
<!--BOF_HEAD--><!--EOF_HEAD--><!--BOF_SUBHEAD--> v. tr.
<!--EOF_SUBHEAD--> <!--BOF_DEF-->

1. To take in as food; eat or drink up. See Synonyms at eat.
2. 1. To expend; use up: engines that consume less fuel; a project that consumed most of my time and energy.
   2. [b]To purchase (goods or services) for direct use or ownership.[b]
3. To waste; squander. See Synonyms at waste.
4. To destroy totally; ravage: flames that consumed the house; a body consumed by cancer.
5. To absorb; engross: consumed with jealousy.

I assume that the Gov. is using this one to define the law. My agrument is, I thought the American Gov. made it illegal to WASTE a CC, which I did not. I smoked every last bit of it and enjoyed it. (*Note: I have never had a Cuban, although I would like to one day.)


I highly doubt that the gov. would be able to put someone away for smoking a CC in another country. It is too hard to prove with too little evidence. They can't watch everyone.

[KingGeorge]

Is inhaling 2nd hand Cuban smoke illegal? How about if I just take a big sniff of off a Cuban and absorb the smell of the unlit tobacco?

george

[tuneman07]

I'm pretty sure the laws of America don't follow the citizens of America when they leave. When I was under 21 I went to Europe a few times and drank alcohol and I don't think that was illegal. I went to Amsterdam as well and smoked a ton of er.... ummmmm,,,, o yea that devil plant and that wasn't illegal either. I also smoked Cuban cigars in Germany and that wasn't illegal. My message to the government is F off and quit treating me like a 3 year old. Quit holding a grudge cuz Castro took over your precious sugar industry too. Oh yea and let me walk down the street with a frickin beer if I want. Why don't you wait til I try to bash someone's head in with it before you harass me for carrying it. And stop asking me those stupid questions when I buy a gun. Does anyone really ever say "yea, you know what, your right, I was going to buy this gun to commit a crime so now I won't buy it"? Sorry bout the rant this thread got me fired up lol.

[DennisP]

Originally Posted by tuneman07

I'm pretty sure the laws of America don't follow the citizens of America when they leave. When I was under 21 I went to Europe a few times and drank alcohol and I don't think that was illegal. I went to Amsterdam as well and smoked a ton of er.... ummmmm,,,, o yea that devil plant and that wasn't illegal either. I also smoked Cuban cigars in Germany and that wasn't illegal. My message to the government is F off and quit treating me like a 3 year old. Quit holding a grudge cuz Castro took over your precious sugar industry too. Oh yea and let me walk down the street with a frickin beer if I want. Why don't you wait til I try to bash someone's head in with it before you harass me for carrying it. And stop asking me those stupid questions when I buy a gun. Does anyone really ever say "yea, you know what, your right, I was going to buy this gun to commit a crime so now I won't buy it"? Sorry bout the rant this thread got me fired up lol.

Drinking alcohohal and smoking marijuana are state laws. Consuming Cuban goods is a federal law. There is a big difference there.

Do you believe it should be illegal for a spy to sale secrets to foriegn governemnts when not in the USA?

[Addiction]

Originally Posted by scoot

Why would you want the ban lifted? Cubans are easily accessable to Americans even with the ban. If it gets lifted, there will be a huge flood of Americans grabbing up Cuban cigars simply so they can say they're smoking Cubans. This will result in the loss of pretty much all quality control in Cuban factories and a skyrocketing of prices.

Cubans can be had now for relitively reasonable prices without much of a problem. I don't see a reason to change things.

I want the ban to be lifted so that if I were ever to indulge in a Cuban I wouldn't be risking a $55,000 fine per infraction.

[jdean33442]

Which brings us to the whole oral sex debate.

is it illegal if you sw...

Gotta keep it G for the chimps

Originally Posted by Mr.Lordi

The point of the embargo is to keep money away from Cuba, right? What I don't understand is how buying a CC in Canada is illegal when the money you are using to pay for it isn't going to the Cubans. The B&M all ready paid for the product so the money goes to them, NOT Cubans. You can say the B&M will just use the money to buy more Cubans, but there is no proof that your money will go to buy more Cubans, just speculation.

Sure it is illegal to ingest Cuban products, but what does that mean?


The <CITE>American Heritage Dictionary</CITE> define ingest as:[/list]Last I knew CC are NOT food, so they are NOT ingested. You're not even absorbing the smoke, so no law broken here.

They also define Consume as[/list]I assume that the Gov. is using this one to define the law. My agrument is, I thought the American Gov. made it illegal to WASTE a CC, which I did not. I smoked every last bit of it and enjoyed it. (*Note: I have never had a Cuban, although I would like to one day.)


I highly doubt that the gov. would be able to put someone away for smoking a CC in another country. It is too hard to prove with too little evidence. They can't watch everyone.