The Great Global Warming Swindle

[The Professor]

Originally Posted by SmokeyJoe

Nobody is questioning the data that is being collected... but certainly how the data is interpreted varies widely.

I really do not see the benefit of dimissing people bold enough to simply question conventional wisdom as "flat-earthers," thereby quelling debate by insult. If you do not agree, that is certainly fine - and is both your right and privilege. I myself continue to consider the myriad scientific views to formulate my own opinion. Just hoping for the generous spirit of open discourse - my .

yeah ... and this isn't a sh*t storm that's mired the forum in numerous threads before, I suppose. my dismissal is of the usefulness and desirability of this kind of thread emerging *again* (e.g., http://www.clubstogie.com/vb/showthread.php?t=78437).

once again: oy.

[yamaha6000]

I have loved this movie since it came out (The Great Global Warming Swindle). It's sad to see people who get caught up in Al Gore's doomsday prophecies. Sure the Northern Icecaps are melting, but guess what? The Southern Icecaps are growing, and growing fast. Also, there is significant research to show that the Earth has been cooling since 2000. Oh and James Hanson, the media darling working for NASA admitted that he exaggerated the impact of global warming to get his voice heard. Gore says the sea levels will rise when the Icebergs melt? take a cup and fill it with ice cubes and water so that the ice cubes are over the top rim of the glass and let it melt, it doesn't overflow! Sorry, but I get really irritated, my professor, yesterday on our first day of Spring Semester says that you can't trust anyone who "denies" global warming, he should be fired. I'm the only one in class who speaks up against him, and I get questioned by other classmates "Don't you care about what we are doing to the earth and what you will be leaving your kids?". Pretty sad. Oh and it was also discovered that 1997 wasn't the warmest year in the 20th century, it was 1934, yet another lie. I'm not saying we should be dumb and pollute the environment unessicarill, but come on. First we have to ban mercury because its getting in our fish and we are ingesting them, and now our own government is going to mandate that we buy mercury filled light bulbs that cost 5 times more than a regular light bulb? Rant over.

[SUOrangeGuy]

If you ask my physics professor. If you look close enough the earth is flat.

[SmokeyJoe]

Originally Posted by The Professor

yeah ... and this isn't a sh*t storm that's mired the forum in numerous threads before, I suppose. my dismissal is of the usefulness and desirability of this kind of thread emerging *again* (e.g., http://www.clubstogie.com/vb/showthread.php?t=78437).

once again: oy.

Well... I misunderstood your agreement with the "flat-earther" comment. I did not recognize it as disdain for the topic. I apologize for my incorrect assumption.

I'm not advocating any kind of storm, least of all one comprised of manure.

[tzaddi]

Trying to succinctly express how I feel about this issue I came across this expression and modified it a bit. Although not perfect it does give me an inkling as to the direction of my thought.

The truth stands on its own. It just is. What does need constant justification are lies. Lies are real only insofar as the power they obtain from the people who believe them. Without belief in a lie it will fail. Every time. The truth needs no such empowerment. The earth used to be flat and the sun used to rotate around the earth remember? Peoples belief in this story was the only thing that kept it alive and working. This is an example of how an entire world can believe a lie to such a degree that it smacks in the face of truth even after evidence is presented?- Ask Galileo

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There is no middle ground when faced with truth.

Originally Posted by The Professor

yeah ... and this isn't a sh*t storm that's mired the forum in numerous threads before, I suppose. my dismissal is of the usefulness and desirability of this kind of thread emerging *again* (e.g., http://www.clubstogie.com/vb/showthread.php?t=78437).

once again: oy.

Well, it happens from time to time, and WILL happen again.

I think more than any other reason it happens because one side, the other, or both decide it is up to them to force their opinion/version/side/issue down the throat of the other side, and then the other side objects to being called extreme/radical/right-wing/left-wing (among the nicer names that are used). Being put down because they/we exercise their/our freedom of speech and freedom of thought generally will get most people fired up.

We need to remember here that just because we believe something, not everyone else believes it, nor are they required to believe it. And, refrain from name calling. Rational debates can happen, but each side has to respect the other's right to have a different opinion. That's not the same as agreeing to, or accepting the other's opinion when it differs with your own, just agreeing that the right to differing opinions exist.

Sadly, this issue seems to bring opinions to the boiling point in many, and gets both sides hot under the collar. [SIZE=1]Sorry, could not resist just a little pun![/SIZE]

[eef]

So everyone watched the movie then?

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by eef

So everyone watched the movie then?

I have not Ethan, so I will refrain from saying more than that.

[Cheeto]

Even if Global Warming does turn out to be a bunk theory, I still don't see how curbing our carbon emissions and being more energy efficient is a bad thing.

[bazookajoe]

Can't seem to get a connection right now. Too bad because I was kinda looking forward to being called a "flat-earther"...

[Darb85]

Im not going to question that global warming is happening. Im just wondering how much is truely mans fault and how much is the natural progression that the earth goes through. I think we highly overrate how much we actively affect the world....

Good movie Eef Thanks!

[RedRockCola]

[SIZE=1]If I hear one more person calling for Carbon Credits and curbing our Carbon Footprint I'm gonna go Ape! Seriously! For one, our carbon emissions are markedly lower than they were even 20 years ago. For two, carbon emissions simply have nothing to do with the earth's temperature. Is it any coincidence that the measured surface temperatures of both Venus and Mars and the SUN have also risen slightly over the last few years? Hmm, I think not. If you turn up the thermostat the room gets warmer. There are many outside factors that go into the earth's temperature that we have no control over and to excuse them all and attempt to lay sole blame on " excessive carbon emissions" is laughable. Laughable. Its all about politics and money... many scientists will say whatever they have to say in order to keep that grant money rolling! It just so happens that right now the arguement of choice is "global warming." Soon they'll invent some other equally catastrophic event that will kill us all if we don't do away with automatic firearms or rid the world of Transfats! Give me a break![/SIZE]

[PadronMe]

Originally Posted by Cheeto

Even if Global Warming does turn out to be a bunk theory, I still don't see how curbing our carbon emissions and being more energy efficient is a bad thing.

I believe Americans to be the most wasteful people on God's great Earth and it's time we be more mindful of how we are polluting the Earth.

[duhman]

Originally Posted by Cheeto

Even if Global Warming does turn out to be a bunk theory, I still don't see how curbing our carbon emissions and being more energy efficient is a bad thing.

As long as it doesn't involve government control over our lives and taxpayer funded programs to force a free people into someone's idea of doing something the "right" way, as they see it.
Once liberty is taken away from a free people, willingly or not, it usually won't come back. It is a ratchet affect.

[borndead1]

How many THOUSANDS of years has it been since the last ice age?





Hmmm....maybe we're about due for one.


If Al Bore thinks we can stop it, let the fool preach. I ain't listening.