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[OB1 Stogie]

Originally Posted by RobustoG

I think you forgot to take your meds .....

You have to be frickin nuts to compare how SR. raced to how Busch races.

Busch is in the same class with the Bodines and swervin Erinie.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong but I'm not sure where I compare SR's style to that of the Busch's but feel free to interpret anyway you see fit.

I was mearly stating that you never heard SR crying like a biatch, he'd say "thats NASCAR" and try to "educate" that individual at a later date, on the track.

[RobustoG]

Originally Posted by OB1 Stogie

Maybe I'm reading it wrong but I'm not sure where I compare SR's style to that of the Busch's but feel free to interpret anyway you see fit.

I was mearly stating that you never heard SR crying like a biatch, he'd say "thats NASCAR" and try to "educate" that individual at a later date, on the track.

I'm just having some fun, sorry if I offended you in anyway.

Your right about SR though, that was one of the interesting parts of watching then, and not just with SR, trying to anticipate when the lessonn was going to be taught on the track.

Can't wait for Darlington!!

[andrewsutherland2002]

I'll be at Darlington Saturday night. Maybe I'll witness firsthand the retaliation. Michael Waltrip kicked butt last Saturday with that retaliation hit. It's ashame they threw him off the track though.

[madurolover]

IMHO Dale Jr. is one of the most overrated drivers in NASCAR. If he would just try to be his own man instead of living off of his daddy's name he would be much better. Never have I seen NASCAR try so hard to give a driver a "break". ie(calling cautions when none is needed to let him stay on the lead lap).I bet there would not be a word spoken if he wasn't Dale Sr's son.

[silversvt01]

Originally Posted by madurolover

IMHO Dale Jr. is one of the most overrated drivers in NASCAR. If he would just try to be his own man instead of living off of his daddy's name he would be much better. Never have I seen NASCAR try so hard to give a driver a "break". ie(calling cautions when none is needed to let him stay on the lead lap).I bet there would not be a word spoken if he wasn't Dale Sr's son.

How is he living off of daddy's name? The guy doesn't want to deal with most of the crap that comes along with the last name. If anyone, blame the media for doing that. Not him.

[RobustoG]

Originally Posted by madurolover

IMHO Dale Jr. is one of the most overrated drivers in NASCAR. If he would just try to be his own man instead of living off of his daddy's name he would be much better. Never have I seen NASCAR try so hard to give a driver a "break". ie(calling cautions when none is needed to let him stay on the lead lap).I bet there would not be a word spoken if he wasn't Dale Sr's son.

IMHO your far off from reality as it gets. Your most likely getting your information from other anti JR fans rather than being a true nascar race fan yourself.

JR. goes out of his way, and sometime too far, not to live under the umbrella of his father both on the track and off. And he's doing a good job of it.

As far as NASCAR giving Dale JR a break, you should go back and look at the stats for the last few year and you would see otherwise. Get the stats of who's the most recipient of the lucky dog, see who's been save the most from going down because of caution.... JRs been a front running this entire year so far and need not help from nascar to stay on the lead lap.

now if you want to go that route and talk about showing toyota some favors, well that is another story.

[Alpedhuez55]

He did not take Jr. out intentionally. They were both racing hard and trading the lead in different corners. Jr. had a better car and Busch was trying to pass. THat was one corner where Busch had a little edge and Jr. Came down a bit of his line and Busch drifted up a bit. Bush has won races this year where he has not had the best car and just drove the hell out of it.

And if it where intentional, who would blame him? If you were racing behind the driver who took over your ride with last years premiere team would you not try to beat him if you had the chance? Even if that means sending him into the wall? He should drive harder if he sees the 88 car in front of him. The only thing Kyle Busch did wrong on Saturday was apologize.

I know Jr. has a huge fan base. It is as if he has the home field advantage for each race as far as the crowd goes. And it is more for his name than his talent. Hendricks went with marketing over talent. Financially, they probably made the right decision. But they would have gotten more wins with Busch.

Kyle Busch is coming into his own this season. He is the most talented driver in NASCAR right now. He is exciting to watch on the track and can be pretty funny off if it. He needs to learn when to back off sometimes, but Saturday was not one of them. If you have a chance to win, you go for it.

Like it or not, Busch has a lot more in common with Sr. than Jr. has. And in about 10 or 12 years, when Busch passes Sr.'s career win total, I am sure Jr.'s fans will be tossing beer cans at him while secretly wishing to themselves that Jr. had half the talent that Kyle does.

[silversvt01]

Originally Posted by Alpedhuez55

Kyle Busch is coming into his own this season. He is the most talented driver in NASCAR right now. He is exciting to watch on the track and can be pretty funny off if it. He needs to learn when to back off sometimes, but Saturday was not one of them. If you have a chance to win, you go for it.

I have to disagree on the exciting part. Talent, ok i agree, but exciting? If you see a guy out there swerving across lanes of traffic when he doesn't need to and acting like an idiot, is that exciting also? I know it is different on and off the track, but IMO, the guy drives like a wreckless idiot and it will catch up to him.

Also, Jr. doesn't have any talent? the guy has run consistent this year with exception of California, when he got caught up in a wreck. He is doing great this year. Must be something going on, the car doesn't drive itself. Just throwing my 2 cents in.

Danny

[RobustoG]

Originally Posted by Alpedhuez55

He did not take Jr. out intentionally.

** no one said it was intentional **

Jr. Came down a bit of his line

*** wrong !!! he held his line **

Bush has won races this year where he has not had the best car and just drove the hell out of it.

** and wrecked the compition in the process, If you can't beat them, wreck them **

And if it where intentional, who would blame him? If you were racing behind the driver who took over your ride with last years premiere team would you not try to beat him if you had the chance? Even if that means sending him into the wall?

humm.. interesting. If you get fired and someone replaces you that means you have the right to retaliate? Get revenge because you got fired!!! interesting.

But they would have gotten more wins with Busch.

At a cost Hendrick was not willing to except. They have too much respect and class to allow it.

Kyle Busch is coming into his own this season. He is the most talented driver in NASCAR right now.

incredable statment since he WRECKED his competition while trying to win. If he had tallent he would have kept his car under control and not wrecked others. !!!!

Like it or not, Busch has a lot more in common with Sr. than Jr. has.

The wrath of the racing gods will be coming down on you for even the thought of comparing Busch to Sr.


On another note though ---- I think the worst offender was Hamlin stopping on the track when it was not necessary to bring out the caution in the first place. If he had not done that this situation most likely would not have occured.

Darlington, here we come.

[PadronMe]

Originally Posted by madurolover

Never have I seen NASCAR try so hard to give a driver a "break". ie(calling cautions when none is needed to let him stay on the lead lap).

Come on. Can you tell me 1 specific time that this has happened.

If NASCAR was wanting Jr. to win then they would have black flagged Hamlin(When Jr. had a 1 second lead) because the blowout was inevitable.

[Alpedhuez55]

Originally Posted by RobustoG

humm.. interesting. If you get fired and someone replaces you that means you have the right to retaliate? Get revenge because you got fired!!! interesting.....

At a cost Hendrick was not willing to except. They have too much respect and class to allow it.

This is sports, not the Post Office. There is a little difference. Though even in real life, that Salesman or broker may try to take some of his old clients with him to his new job just to try to stick it to his old company. Dirty business yes, but it happens.

Whenever an athlete comes back to play against a team that got rid of him, he is going try a little harder. Does T.O. want to have a better game against the Eagles? Did Clemens want to shut down the Sox when he came back to Fenway? Why do you hardly ever see a team trade a star player to a team within their own division? If I were Kyle Busch, the only place I would want to see a Hendricks car is in the rear view mirror.

Hendrick made their decision based on marketing It had nothing to do with class. They wanted the most popular racer on their team and the endorsements that come with him. It also takes away some of the heat off of their other drivers, especially Gordon. Right now Busch has double the wins of his old team. Lets see how the rest of the season plays out.

Without a doubt, from a marketing standpoint, Jr. was the right move Hendricks, just like in IRL it was the right move for Andretti Green to sign Danica Patrick. But if you want wins or a cup championship, it was not.

*** wrong !!! he held his line **....

** and wrecked the compition in the process, If you can't beat them, wreck them **.....

incredable statment since he WRECKED his competition while trying to win. If he had tallent he would have kept his car under control and not wrecked others. !!!!

Look at the replay. Jr. did drift down a little lower on the track. He had been running the high line. After he saw Busch gaining on him nose past him on the turns, especially in turn 2 he drifted down to try to protect his lead. If he had stayed on the high line, Busch may have passed him. They were both driving aggressively and racing side by side. It was a great race.

As for cant beat em, wreck em.... how many races did Sr. win by wrecking the competition intentionally? He was not called the Intimidator, Darth Vader and the Man in Black for nothing. And that was not only due to his car color, it was how he drove. He was known for wrecking cars he could not pass. Just ask Terry Labonte, he was spun out twice by Sr. in Bristol Races on the final lap.

The wrath of the racing gods will be coming down on you for even the thought of comparing Busch to Sr.

Busch is an aggressive racer. He does spin people out, sometimes intentionally. He does not settle for second or third. If he is on your back bumper on the final laps, you are going to watch out. He is also wins races.

If you are going to compare any active driver to Earnhardt Sr., on track, Busch is by far the closest.

[Alpedhuez55]

Originally Posted by silversvt01

I have to disagree on the exciting part. Talent, ok i agree, but exciting? If you see a guy out there swerving across lanes of traffic when he doesn't need to and acting like an idiot, is that exciting also? I know it is different on and off the track, but IMO, the guy drives like a wreckless idiot and it will catch up to him.

Also, Jr. doesn't have any talent? the guy has run consistent this year with exception of California, when he got caught up in a wreck. He is doing great this year. Must be something going on, the car doesn't drive itself. Just throwing my 2 cents in.

Danny

Busch is exciting. He is almost like a real life Ricky Bobby. He is a little reckless, but most of the best are. They take risks. And some of those swerves have put him in position to win races. His pass on the apron in the Truck Series was the best pass of the year in any series. Reckless yes, but also very exciting. He makes all the series a lot more entertaining and fun to watch. And he does this while winning races.

I am not saying Jr. has no talent, just that he is overrated. I think Jr. is one of the most talented and consistent drivers in NASCAR. And he is not as talented Kyle Busch.

[silversvt01]

Originally Posted by Alpedhuez55

Busch is exciting. He is almost like a real life Ricky Bobby. He is a little reckless, but most of the best are. They take risks. And some of those swerves have put him in position to win races. His pass on the apron in the Truck Series was the best pass of the year in any series. Reckless yes, but also very exciting. He makes all the series a lot more entertaining and fun to watch. And he does this while winning races.

I am not saying Jr. has no talent, just that he is overrated. I think Jr. is one of the most talented and consistent drivers in NASCAR. And he is not as talented Kyle Busch.

I see what you are saying. The hard part about the perception or opinion of Jr is that I think a lot of it is media driven and I think they overexpose him. At least most of the races have been good this year. I guess that is in part, to KB.

On a side note, hI think they are going to milk last weeks race for at least a month or two. I doubt Jr will retaliate though, it doesn't seem like him.

Danny

[andrewsutherland2002]

A story on nascar.com right now has a featured article entitled The Perfect Protagonist: It's Good to Have Bad Boy Busch Behind the Wheel. Shouldn't this be the Perfect Antagonist? Certainly don't see Busch as a protagonist in this situation at all.

[cvm4]

Dale Sr. = Kyle Busch...Two of a kind.