Bush OKs execution of Army death row prisoner

[boonedoggle]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080728/...tary_execution

I am no judge, nor would I want to be. I just find it shocking that it has been so long since a president has authorized the execution of a military member.

[Twill413]

Hopefully this thread doesn't deteriorate into something ugly, but armed forces or not, he got what he deserved. 4 murders and 8 rapes? I will bet even armed forces guys would be ashamed he's one of them. That type of behavior doesn't live up to the honor and respect that I have come to associate with the vast majority of the fighting men and women.

[rrplasencia]

Originally Posted by Twill413

armed forces or not,...4 murders and 8 rapes? I will bet even armed forces guys would be ashamed he's one of them. That type of behavior doesn't live up to the honor and respect that I have come to associate with the vast majority of the fighting men and women.

says it all. what would a civilian have gotten? and was sentenced 20 yrs ago.

[macjoe53]

Since the military justice system works differently and I believe more efficiently, I'm surprised it's going to take longer.

[[OT] Loki]

kill that ****er, twice

[boonedoggle]

I don't see why this should turn into something nasty. I just thought it was something that struck me as weird, I suppose.

[Av8tor152d]

As a service memeber I actually am glad to see this, I see all to often that service members think they can hide behind the " I am military" excuse. Hopefully this will send a message to those that still think they are above the law as service members. If anything I feel that we should be held to a higher standard and set an example for all to follow seeing that we do represent the nation here and abroad. okay stepping off the soap box now.

[Twill413]

Originally Posted by boonedoggle

I don't see why this should turn into something nasty. I just thought it was something that struck me as weird, I suppose.

I was just commenting on the political aspect, because no matter how much it doesn't matter who is in office, anything can be made into something political by someone with an agenda to push. Not saying that it will happen, I just hope it stays on topic.

[benjamin]

no one should be above justice, regardless of who they are or what they do. period

...except for batman

[rrplasencia]

from what i remember during my time in the service was there is no double jeopardy rule in the military. i had a buddy who got in trouble out in town one night. he went through civilian court system. then when he was done with that he went to captain's mast (navy), he got it twice. and you usually don't catch a break in the town your stationed in. while the people in the town depend on the revenue from the bases they still have to put up with a lot of crap from us (not all of us). plus your always datng their daughters, they really don't like that. plus the military has this artile of the u.c.m.j, 81 i think. that is a catch all, if they can't punish you under a certain article for something specific they can use article 81 to get you. this guy was just a bad person and this has been put off for 20 years and 4 or 5 presidents.

[macjoe53]

Originally Posted by rrplasencia

from what i remember during my time in the service was there is no double jeopardy rule in the military. i had a buddy who got in trouble out in town one night. he went through civilian court system. then when he was done with that he went to captain's mast (navy), he got it twice. and you usually don't catch a break in the town your stationed in. while the people in the town depend on the revenue from the bases they still have to put up with a lot of crap from us (not all of us). plus your always datng their daughters, they really don't like that. plus the military has this artile of the u.c.m.j, 81 i think. that is a catch all, if they can't punish you under a certain article for something specific they can use article 81 to get you. this guy was just a bad person and this has been put off for 20 years and 4 or 5 presidents.

It's Article 134:

ART. 134. GENERAL ARTICLE

Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.


As for the double jeopardy I think you are correct but I would have to check a buddy who's a retired military lawyer to be sure.

[Av8tor152d]

Yes soldiers are not exempt from Double Jeopardy, they will get hammered by civilian courts then, onto UCMJ.

[boonedoggle]

Originally Posted by Twill413

I was just commenting on the political aspect, because no matter how much it doesn't matter who is in office, anything can be made into something political by someone with an agenda to push. Not saying that it will happen, I just hope it stays on topic.

[jamesb3]

The sad part in the whole thing is that it took all this time and only god knows how much of the people's money to get this done. 20 years is just ridiculous.

[vicvitola]

Originally Posted by benjamin

no one should be above justice, regardless of who they are or what they do. period

...except for batman