Saddam, must have slipped down the slope to get in the hole they found him in

[PadronMe]

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

then have the UN deal with it. The UN should be the one's dealing with Iraq too.

They didn't do anything to Iraq for over 10 years, even after UN inspectors were kicked out of the country numerous times. The UN is in bed with the Arab world and the fact that you think the UN should deal with Iraq is laughable. What did the UN do when he invaded Kuwait? What about that time he used a WMD on his own people? What about the years of torture and oppresion to his own people? You ever read the stories of the way the Iraq soccer team was tortured?

I find it very odd that you would defend a notorious killer. His past crimes were enough evidence to invade his country and remove him from power.

You want to tell us how great Cuba is with Castro in power. How about North Korea, Vietnam, Africa, Middle East, ect. Hitler was great leader also. Maybe we should have let him be. All he did was invade another country

And another thing about this WMD. Why is that Bush haters say he lied about the weapons when every prominent Democrat had the same information and also said Saddam had the weapons?

[cameroncouch02]

Can we please delete this thread? This thread was not intended to start a political debate between anyone. It was just for humor.


Go threadjack somewhere else.

[Hammerhead]

Originally Posted by cameroncouch02

Can we please delete this thread? This thread was not intended to start a political debate between anyone. It was just for humor.


Go threadjack somewhere else.

Cam, threads like these are what make Club Stogie great. Every now and again, the 'fur flies', and we have a lot of fun jawboning an issue. Let it be... and enjoy the ride. It's always entertaining.

[FpDoc77]

Originally Posted by Hammerhead

Cam, threads like these are what make Club Stogie great. Every now and again, the 'fur flies', and we have a lot of fun jawboning an issue. Let it be... and enjoy the ride. It's always entertaining.

Yea Im not sure why some are so turned off by a good debate. Yeah they get a little heated but we are all men here.

[Hammerhead]

Originally Posted by FpDoc77

Yea Im not sure why some are so turned off by a good debate. Yeah they get a little heated but we are all men here.

I figure it's one of two possible things.

A) Many people are not comfortable with confrontation, whether to be in it, or to observe it. Those people should not be in people-related jobs.

B) Political correctness. Where' there's debate, there's controversy. We all have to agree. We all have to be the same. Just like socialists. Those people shouldn't be in political jobs. Not here, at least.

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I like debate and I like discussion on all sorts of topics but.......we've hijacked another thread that was started as a "look at this, isn't it funny" thread and ruined it with a bunch of personal political opinions.

Start your own thread in the proper forum and argue your points elsewhere. I'm tired of looking at a funny or lighthearted thread only to have it turn into a full blown debate on religion or politics.

This is the "Habanos only lounge" not "Face The Nation"

Back to the topic, funny story, thanks for sharing!!!!!

Maybe we should send him some Cremosas!

[Hammerhead]

Nice thought, but there's really no way you can prevent or police threadjacking or discussions on controversial issues like Saddam Hussein, or schedule them to take place at specific times and places. Nor would I want to. The best kind of debate is spontaneous. It is what it is. It just happens.

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by Hammerhead

Nice thought, but there's really no way you can prevent or police threadjacking or discussions on controversial issues like Saddam Hussein, or schedule them to take place at specific times and places. Nor would I want to. The best kind of debate is spontaneous. It is what it is. It just happens.

Its similar to a real-life event. Take a herf for instance. Yes, the main reason bringing people together is cigars, however, other topics of conversation are bound to come up. What makes online discussion sometimes volatile is the fact that humor, subtlety, and personalities get lost in translation.

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by PadronMe

They didn't do anything to Iraq for over 10 years, even after UN inspectors were kicked out of the country numerous times. The UN is in bed with the Arab world and the fact that you think the UN should deal with Iraq is laughable. What did the UN do when he invaded Kuwait? What about that time he used a WMD on his own people? What about the years of torture and oppresion to his own people? You ever read the stories of the way the Iraq soccer team was tortured?

I find it very odd that you would defend a notorious killer. His past crimes were enough evidence to invade his country and remove him from power.

You want to tell us how great Cuba is with Castro in power. How about North Korea, Vietnam, Africa, Middle East, ect. Hitler was great leader also. Maybe we should have let him be. All he did was invade another country

And another thing about this WMD. Why is that Bush haters say he lied about the weapons when every prominent Democrat had the same information and also said Saddam had the weapons?

I’ve never said that Cuba is “great”, rather that they have a right to self determination and in comparison to their neighbors, they are doing pretty well. Was enough evidence for the UN to take sanctions and action like Serbia? After the most complete and exhaustive investigation of the current capacity to manufacture WMD’s, the UN said “no”. The inspectors were from the UN and all actions taken by a fellow member of the UN should’ve been done by the UN. We had no right to act on our like we did. There was a global unification against Iraq during Persian Gulf War, not now.

Not doing anything for 10 years, is like when the US won’t let inspectors go to Guantanemo.

Do you ever think why most of the world thinks we’re wrong in invading Iraq? No thought we were wrong going in Afghanistan.

It’s never been about the leaders, it’s about the oil and US contracts to all the presidents buddies. What are we going to get out N. Korea or Africa?

Bush lied to Congress and that’s why everyone voted for resolutions against Iraq. Of course they’ll agree, if they were duped…

[(909)]

My dog like Kibbles and Bits.

[RJT]

Originally Posted by mr.c

[SIZE="7"]well this thread is in the tall weeds, with no hope of getting out.

let it die guys, let it die. [/SIZE]

If I knew it was going to go in this direction I would have not posted it. Thought the cigar part was interesting not all the hot topic stuff. RJT

[poker]

This is so far off topic, Im moving it.

[Da Klugs]

Thanks alot Poker.

[AAlmeter]

Originally Posted by Da Klugs

Thanks alot Poker.

Shouldn't you be busy posting pictures of scantily clad women to end this thread?

[Neuromancer]

I was going to suggest that this be moved but I see someone beat me to the punch...now to address a number of these comments...

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

...It’s been shown there was no link to terrorism and Saddam, just as no WMD’s or Al Qaeda. The US’s justification for invading Iraq is no different than Germany’s justifications for invading Poland. Iraq was not a fundamentalist nation under Saddam, and the very last element he wanted in his country is Bin Laden and the like. Bin Laden undermines Saddam’s power. I know several people of Christian, Jewish, and Muslim faiths that all had flourishing lives in Iraq up to the Persian Gulf war; what about the inspections? They didn’t find anything…

No link to terrorism...hmmm...let's think about that for a moment...what do you call handing 25K US dollars to the families of every suicide bomber that sets himself off in Israel? What do you call harboring Carlos the Jackal and Abu Nidal? What do you call hosting Al Queda training camps? You need to remove your head from your posterior if you think Saddam had no links to terrorism...

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

...We don’t have the most freedom in the US either. In the Netherlands or Switzerland the sense of freedom feels bigger than here. Do you think there’s more peace now in Iraq? Saddam is not the only leader to suppress people who view other than he does. In his words, those people are criminals...

Unless I am mistaken, and regardles of the Patriot Act and a few other laws, I think we happen to live in one of the most free countries in the world...that fact that you can make statements like that, alone, suggests it...and Saddam suppressing people of opposing viewpoints? And that they're criminals according to him? So I guess all the Kurds he gassed in an attempt to commit genocide had opposing viewpoints and were criminals? Yah...they want to stay alive..I guess that viewpoint did oppose his, but criminal? I dunno, if wanting to stay alive makes you a criminal, then there's a lot more of them in the world than the Kurds...you need to remove your head from your posterior on this point too...

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

I would stick to fighting it out in Afghanistan, and then fight it out in Saudi where the terrorist actually were from on 9-11; none of them or Al Qaeda was in Iraq. Let's find the WMD's in Syria and then have the UN deal with it. The UN should be the one's dealing with Iraq too. What did Iraq directly do to the USA to warrant an invasion? Global problems should be dealt with a global scope. Germany and France didn't the US was warranted in invading Iraq, why is that? Obviously, it's not a unanimous decision worldwide that Iraq was a threat.

Ahhh...let the UN deal with it...I think it was someone named Saddam who showed how powerless and toothless the UN is...personally I think we should kick them out and stop subsidizing them, especially considering the fact that most of the member nations continually vote against our interests and considering the amount of aid we give those same nations, it's time for that to stop too...and from what I understand there was an Al Queda presence there...training camps...and perhaps had Saddam not thrown out the UN inspectors, and continually threatened the US and our way of life, he might still be there, but he didn't, and he's not...and as far as France and Germany are concerned, their opinion on this matter means squat...they both had their hands in his pockets...pockets, that btw, had been lined by the broken people he oppressed...you need to remove your head from your posterior on this point too...

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

I’ve never said that Cuba is “great”, rather that they have a right to self determination and in comparison to their neighbors, they are doing pretty well....

...is like when the US won’t let inspectors go to Guantanemo...

Do you ever think why most of the world thinks we’re wrong in invading Iraq? No thought we were wrong going in Afghanistan.

...Bush lied to Congress and that’s why everyone voted for resolutions against Iraq. Of course they’ll agree, if they were duped...

Hmmm...would you like to ask our Cuban brethren, here, about this issue? Where do you get the mistaken notion they have a right to self-determination and that they're "doing pretty well?" Are you totally clueless as to the conditons on that island and the fact that people are trying to leave it in anyway, shape, or form, they can, to try and make it to the US? And as far as inspectors going to Guantanemo? That's a US Military Base, where enemy combatants are being guarded and interrogated...what inspectors would you like? The extreme left-wing loonies that feel we should be giving them civil rights? US citizien's civil rights? They're not citizens and they attacked our country with no provocation what-so-ever...to be honest, if it saves the life of one US citizen, your neighbor by the way, or for that matter, you, I don't care if they stick cattle prods up the rectums of those $%##$%*$&$...and as far as the world thinking we're wrong, we have about 15 allies or so in this operation (and probably more that are glad we did it but are afraid to say so) so that generality of yours doesn't wash either...last but not least, at the time, a major portion of the democrats in congress went right along with the republicans in voting for this war...I don't think Bush lied...I think he sincerely believed WMD's existed, and while it's since be suggested that the information was erroneous, he was backed in this by both sides of the isle...so, you need to remove your head from your posterior on these points too...

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