Do not want to be an A$$...

[SixPackSunday]

agreed squid.

i would prefer a 'deadbeat' list myself.

[joncaputo]

Actually I am open to suggestions..

[JonDot]

Originally Posted by SixPackSunday

agreed squid.

i would prefer a 'deadbeat' list myself.

Sounds like a good idea to me.

[sboyajian]

How about something like an icon next to the Trader Feedback number.

The icon appears if the user meets one or all of the following credentials:

- Negative remark within the past 30 days (ie: had negative feedback 3 weeks ago, but may have positive since then)
- Last Feedback was negative, regardless of age (ie: negative is 3 months old, but no other feedback since)
- over 10% of all feedback is negative

Just my thoughts.

[Architeuthis]

Originally Posted by joncaputo

Actually I am open to suggestions..

It would take a bit of daily maintenance perhaps, but how about changing a persons name-color (as the moderators are different from regular users) to a specific color meaning "didn't fulfill a trade". This way if the trade is actually fulfilled the color can go back to normal. If the bad trader never responds, leave the bad trader color in place. Bear in mind this is an initial thought only. I might come up with something better as I think on it...

[billybarue]

Originally Posted by sboyajian

How about something like an icon next to the Trader Feedback number.

The icon appears if the user meets one or all of the following credentials: .....

I think the solution, as referenced by sboyajian above, is simply to use the "trader feedback" function. It is might be something those from the other other than the previous CS) boards are not familiar with. I only frequent one other board, which doesn't have this function, and I don't know if it is a prevailing practice on the myriad other cigar boards out there.

I think it is a valuable function, but I don't think it's full potential was used at CS. People are reluctant to give negative or neutral feedback. Personally, there were a number of trades I have done that I think warranted a neutral feedback for me - I tend to be late. I have ever seen a neutral feedback given.

I would suggest after a reasonable time has passed (in your opinion) give the individual a neutral feedback if he is late beyond what you think was appropriate, and when it is clear that someone won't pay up - by all means a negative feedback is warranted.

Than in the future for the rest of the community it becomes more clear when you engage in a PIF, Contest, Pass, trade, etc who you are dealing with.

my $.02

Congrats on the win, sorry about the headaches associated with this.

Cheers,

BillyBarue

[joncaputo]

No idea if we can hack the itrader that way

We need something simple and straight forward thats easy to update or it wont be maintained properly

[uncballzer]

Billybarue pretty much explained it. The trader feedback was/is setup for just this thing. With this system, a lot of our contests here (that is, when "we" meant CS), or games will have a minimum # of trader feedback before being able to join. For instance, in my pipe tobacco lottery, a minimum of one + trader feedback is required before joining--others may have it at 2, rarely above 5. When doing a specific trade/buy/sell, you may specify what/how much TF you will deal with, even saying "will not trade w/anyone w/negative feedback." All you have to do is click on their number next to the TF and you'll be able to see who they've traded with, and if any negatives/neutrals. Also you can infer how they trade with the comments left, especially if from long-time/senior members.

Other than this, I don't see a need for a specific icon/color/deadbeat list.

[BigVito]

Originally Posted by joncaputo

Actually I am open to suggestions..

try the shrimp

[joncaputo]

Originally Posted by uncballzer

Billybarue pretty much explained it. The trader feedback was/is setup for just this thing. With this system, a lot of our contests here (that is, when "we" meant CS), or games will have a minimum # of trader feedback before being able to join. For instance, in my pipe tobacco lottery, a minimum of one + trader feedback is required before joining--others may have it at 2, rarely above 5. When doing a specific trade/buy/sell, you may specify what/how much TF you will deal with, even saying "will not trade w/anyone w/negative feedback." All you have to do is click on their number next to the TF and you'll be able to see who they've traded with, and if any negatives/neutrals. Also you can infer how they trade with the comments left, especially if from long-time/senior members.

Other than this, I don't see a need for a specific icon/color/deadbeat list.

I agree w this totally.

[CosmoKCohiba]

Originally Posted by joncaputo

No idea if we can hack the itrader that way

We need something simple and straight forward thats easy to update or it wont be maintained properly

I am a fairly recent member, but feel that an immediate and permanent ban is in order; undesirables/cheaters/takers/liars and those that don't follow though with commitments to BOTLS's should be cast aside at once. This will only remain a respectabe forum if honesty, integrity, class and decorum are held and in the highest regard by all.

Those that did not comply with the wager, should not be permitted to remain in the company of those who treat their BOTL's with respect, honesty and integrity.

[BarneyBandMan]

I know this doesn't help with the current situation, but it is easy to keep this from happening in the future.

This past summer 10 of us were involved in a baseball league. To enter, each of us sent a fiver of good sticks to the league commish for safe and proper keeping throughout the summer. If the commish didn't get your fiver (ante), you were not allowed to participate. When the winner was realized, he sent the winnings to the winner. As long as the commish is a decent guy, there will be no problem.

Worked great...though it would have worked better if I had won

[joncaputo]

Originally Posted by BarneyBandMan

I know this doesn't help with the current situation, but it is easy to keep this from happening in the future.

This past summer 10 of us were involved in a baseball league. To enter, each of us sent a fiver of good sticks to the league commish for safe and proper keeping throughout the summer. If the commish didn't get your fiver (ante), you were not allowed to participate. When the winner was realized, he sent the winnings to the winner. As long as the commish is a decent guy, there will be no problem.

Worked great...though it would have worked better if I had won

This is a awesome idea..now we need a volunteer

[uncballzer]

Originally Posted by CosmoKCohiba

I am a fairly recent member, but feel that an immediate and permanent ban is in order; undesirables/cheaters/takers/liars and those that don't follow though with commitments to BOTLS's should be cast aside at once. This will only remain a respectabe forum if honesty, integrity, class and decorum are held and in the highest regard by all.

Those that did not comply with the wager, should not be permitted to remain in the company of those who treat their BOTL's with respect, honesty and integrity.

And that's pretty damn harsh.

[Doogie]

Originally Posted by havanitascigars-cl

but, there are three rules I was taught by my father. I have passed these three rules onto my son. They are: 1. Do not Steal; 2. Do not Lie; and 3. Always keep your Word.

Twenty of us formed a Fantasy Football League. The conditions were simple: Winner take all. A five-pack of cigars from each of the other 19 players.

Four weeks ago, I was the winner of that Fantasy League. Since that time I have been paid off by 8 of the other players. Three guys have told me they were sending their packs this week or next week because of personal circumstances. My thanks and appreciation go out to these gentlemen.

That means 8 guys have not paid their bet or even notified me of their intentions. I am sorry, but we all knew what we were risking. And it is not like a 5-er is asking someone to give up a their life.

A man should always keep his word. If I am out of line here, then so be it. If someone is offended... well, it is what it is. I have over 800 cigars in my collection. It is not like I will die if people do not pay me. This is a matter of principle though. You make a promise, you keep a promise. Very simple.

We all accepted this obligation. It is because of people not keeping their word that several members do not participate in passes anymore. Or grant wishes. Or do many of the other things that made this forum so great.

out the ones who haven't contacted you.