Senator Explains How to Get Stuck in Iraq

[Diesel Kinevel]

Im glad our leaders think about what they say before they make themselves look like idiots

[IHT]

i just wish both sides would WORK TO FIX WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY, not fight against each other.

how about some fuggin comprimises?
we know healthcare is jacked.
we know Social Security is jacked.
we know welfare is jacked.
we know illegal alien laws are jacked.

why can't they work together, come to an agreement on these issues THAT WILL HELP AMERICA AND AMERICANS. if we find out that the new agreements aren't working as WELL as planned, AMEND THEM FOR CRIPES SAKES!! keep hammering it out until it works the best it can for the most it can.

how hard can it be, if they were all actually THERE FOR US?

[yourchoice]

What an asinine comment. I wouldn't be shocked if this effects some election next Tuesday. And...

Originally Posted by SvilleKid

While the media slams Bush for every lingusist errors, the people chosen by the DNC to speak for the demo's are tearing the base of that party to pieces with their out-of-touch rantings!

you're not kidding! What a joke.

[Ivory Tower]

Obviously, Kerry was joking that only one of Bush's incompetence and his implied lack of intelligence and hard work could get into the Iraq situation and remain "stuck" there.

Not a very well-formed jab a Bush, though, when you leave open the chance for some of the current attacks.

[LeafHog]

Originally Posted by IHT

i just wish both sides would WORK TO FIX WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY, not fight against each other.

how about some fuggin comprimises?
we know healthcare is jacked.
we know Social Security is jacked.
we know welfare is jacked.
we know illegal alien laws are jacked.

why can't they work together, come to an agreement on these issues THAT WILL HELP AMERICA AND AMERICANS. if we find out that the new agreements aren't working as WELL as planned, AMEND THEM FOR CRIPES SAKES!! keep hammering it out until it works the best it can for the most it can.

how hard can it be, if they were all actually THERE FOR US?

sorry greg, there's no money in that.

[IHT]

Originally Posted by LeafHog

sorry greg, there's no money in that.

and there's no money in civil war back in the states.

[Alpedhuez55]

Originally Posted by Ivory Tower

Obviously, Kerry was joking that only one of Bush's incompetence and his implied lack of intelligence and hard work could get into the Iraq situation and remain "stuck" there.

Not a very well-formed jab a Bush, though, when you leave open the chance for some of the current attacks.

I think the problem is his defiance. If he admitted he even made a slip of the tounge, it would not be as big a deal. But instead of doing that, he attacks republicans for calling him out on what he said.

[Ivory Tower]

Originally Posted by Alpedhuez55

I think the problem is his defiance. If he admitted he even made a slip of the tounge, it would not be as big a deal. But instead of doing that, he attacks republicans for calling him out on what he said.

I can see that. But Kerry is just mired in the political sparring that usually is just petty.

Although he did admit his words were part of a joke about Bush that didn't come off well.

[Aaron]

The last one was inspired by Fark today.

[Da Klugs]

Too funny Aaron. And right on the mark. What a colossal blunder.

Expressing his honest (if elitest, twisted and unpatriotic) opinion like that.

Lewis Black said it best... (Presidential Elections, but it would work at all levels)

They should take the winner of American Idol and blindfold them.
Have them throw a dart at a map of the country.
Where ever it lands ...
Fly a friendly little trained monkey over that area.
Put a chute on him and push him out of the plane.
When he lands the first person he touches..
That's the president.

Saying the things you need to to get elected is expected. Unfortunately, the cynicism created by doing the things expected by those you are beholden to once elected, has created a who cares attitude in a large portion of the electorate.

I think we should raise the pay of all elected officials to really obscene levels. $ 20 million a year for the president. $ 5 million for a senator. $ 2 million for congressman etc. Maybe more. It would be much cheaper in the long run than how they end up getting theirs now.

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by Da Klugs

Too funny Aaron. And right on the mark. What a colossal blunder.

Expressing his honest (if elitest, twisted and unpatriotic) opinion like that.

Lewis Black said it best... (Presidential Elections, but it would work at all levels)

They should take the winner of American Idol and blindfold them.
Have them throw a dart at a map of the country.
Where ever it lands ...
Fly a friendly little trained monkey over that area.
Put a chute on him and push him out of the plane.
When he lands the first person he touches..
That's the president.

Saying the things you need to to get elected is expected. Unfortunately, the cynicism created by doing the things expected by those you are beholden to once elected, has created a who cares attitude in a large portion of the electorate.

I think we should raise the pay of all elected officials to really obscene levels. $ 20 million a year for the president. $ 5 million for a senator. $ 2 million for congressman etc. Maybe more. It would be much cheaper in the long run than how they end up getting theirs now.

Actually, it's impossible for anyone BUT the rich to get elected to the Senate due to McCain-Feingold.

The solution is financial transparency and no donation limit and no corporate or organizational (unions) donations. All donations must be individual and recorded.

If a candidate fails to report a donation, his party has to donate 10x the value to the opposing party. If a candidate's failures to report exceed 1% of his total, upon discovery, the opponent gets the office.

And to recall what was nearly an unprecedented breach of tradition, for Congress, Senate, the Presidency and all Cabinet positions, the tax records are required to become public record at least six months prior to the election. We are ENTITLED to know the charitable donations and stock holdings of someone who shares the President's bed... to the penny.

Frankly, for the press to be shielded by the rules allowing them not to divulge sources, the public is entitled to calculate their own coefficient of truth for that newspaper by aggregate data about the political affiliations and charitable contributions by its staff. One shouldn't be allowed to gainsay the claim of lack of bias without the certifiable evidence to prove it.

Journalism used to be more about reporting and less about partisan political essay-writing with a few quotations from sources (usually ripped out of context) to sex the piece up.

And the contributors to ex-Presidents should be a matter of public record, too. Every penny they earn subsequent to their term in the Oval Office should be on a website. Presidents had top-secret knowledge and have no right to exploit it, ESPECIALLY if those funds come from despotic nations.

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by IHT

and there's no money in civil war back in the states.

There's no money investing in guns and stogies, either, the way legislation is heading.

[Aaron]

That pink guy looks awfully familiar.

[SIZE=1]Only a Search Nazi would have made you LOOK for that link!


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[Aaron]

All of Kerry's functions have been cancelled for tomorrow.

I guess that means for the last week before the elections, JFK is political [SIZE=5]Kerryptonite[/SIZE]


The only way the Dims win is to keep their most vocal representatives virtually silent as the election approaches.

The fear of political implosion is palpable.

My calling it Kerryptonite, as political wonks recall, intends special irony. John Edwards claimed during the 2004 campaign that if Kerry becomes President, Christopher "Superman" Reeve would be cured.

"The work that we will do when John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve will get up out of that wheelchair and walk again."

It's worth reading the wheelchair-bound physician and pundit Charles Krauthammer on this for a smackdown-par-excellence.

I have a daughter who was permanently maimed by an OB/GYN who tore nerves in her left shoulder during a delivery that should have been by C-section. I am also on top of the latest research on this matter.

Edwards got his riches channeling infants in the womb as they were being injured by doctors. Sadly, the gutless ambulance-chaser never met his match with a conservative lawyer channeling a third-trimester abortion.

January 31, 2004

In Trial Work, Edwards Left a Trademark

[SIZE=-1]By ADAM LIPTAKand MICHAEL MOSS[/SIZE]

In 1985, a 31-year-old North Carolina lawyer named John Edwards stood before a jury and channeled the words of an unborn baby girl.

Referring to an hour-by-hour record of a fetal heartbeat monitor, Mr. Edwards told the jury: "She said at 3, `I'm fine.' She said at 4, `I'm having a little trouble, but I'm doing O.K.' Five, she said, `I'm having problems.' At 5:30, she said, `I need out.' "

But the obstetrician, he argued in an artful blend of science and passion, failed to heed the call. By waiting 90 more minutes to perform a breech delivery, rather than immediately performing a Caesarean section, Mr. Edwards said, the doctor permanently damaged the girl's brain.

"She speaks to you through me," the lawyer went on in his closing argument. "And I have to tell you right now — I didn't plan to talk about this — right now I feel her. I feel her presence. She's inside me, and she's talking to you."

The jury came back with a $6.5 million verdict in the cerebral palsy case, and Mr. Edwards established his reputation as the state's most feared plaintiff's lawyer.

In the decade that followed, Mr. Edwards filed at least 20 similar lawsuits against doctors and hospitals in deliveries gone wrong, winning verdicts and settlements of more than $60 million, typically keeping about a third. As a politician he has spoken of these lawsuits with pride.

That excerpt brought to you not by Rush Limbaugh... but by the New York Times.

If you aren't revulsed by Edwards and those who'd support his being on the Democratic ticket, you've got problems.

[Corona Gigante]

Originally Posted by Aaron

Actually, it's impossible for anyone BUT the rich to get elected to the Senate due to McCain-Feingold.

The solution is financial transparency and no donation limit and no corporate or organizational (unions) donations. All donations must be individual and recorded...

You got my head spinning with that one, Aaron.


Getting back to the topic in question, Kerry obviously expressed himself clumsily, but I think it's pretty clear that his remarks were meant to refer to Bush.

"If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they're crazy," he said. "No Democrat will be bullied by an administration that has a cut-and-run policy in Afghanistan and a stand-still-and-lose strategy in Iraq."

Bush, Tony Snow, Limbaugh, et al are simply spinning for all they're worth. On the other hand, it's nice to see Kerry slapping back for a change.

"I'm not going to be lectured by a stuffed-suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium, or doughy Rush Limbaugh, who no doubt today will take a break from belittling Michael J. Fox's Parkinson's disease to start lying about me just as they have lied about Iraq."

He further expressed disgust with "Republican hacks, who have never worn the uniform of our country."

Kerry added that Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney "owe our troops an apology" because they "misled America into war."

Bush and Cheney "have given us a Katrina foreign policy that has betrayed our ideals, killed and maimed our soldiers, and widened the terrorist threat instead of defeating it," the senator said.

A bit more of that in 2004 and we might have seen a different result.