Michael Moore nabbed by Treasury Dept for filming in Cuba?

[Junior]

Originally Posted by Mr. White

And the VA hospitals are even worse. My wife's uncle needs a liver transplant and has all kinds of crap going wrong with his body and all he gets is the run around at the VA hospitals. They've basically decided that they're just going to hold him off until he dies so they don't have to do anything for him. And this guy FOUGHT for our country.

It's disgusting.

And Chill out with the language and hostility eh?

The VA is like stepping back in time. I didn't realize it until my dad fell ill I took him there. His VA has very good doctors but, you have to jump through hoops to get anything done.

Threadjack over

[Seanohue]

Originally Posted by ATLHARP

Moore is a despicable fraud and deserves to be shamed in the manner in which I did.

QFT

[AAlmeter]

F spreading around reputation before giving it to ALTHARP again.

[BP22]

Originally Posted by AAlmeter

F spreading around reputation before giving it to ALTHARP again.

I got your back.

[muziq]

Originally Posted by ATLHARP

Words mean things, and the truth is worth having people stand up and speak it clearly. I could care less about George Bush or Limbaugh in the prospect of the truth. When they speak it I will agree, when they don't I will disagree.

That's a great standard...one which if applied across the board to all media stars and starlets (be they political, entertainment, corporate, or otherwise) would help elevate civil dialog in this country...

Originally Posted by ATLHARP

Michael Moore does not have the right distort and outright lie when it comes to making films.

...although it appears you don't subscribe to that line of thinking entirely, as you're not willing to extend MM the same courtesy you were willing to extend to Bush or Limbaugh.

Whether or not the situation where Bush *not speaking the truth* equates to MM *outright lying* isn't really the point, is it?

Both Bush and MM are bent on manipulating our emotions (e.g. "love" or "hate" them) to evoke support for their positions. Disliking MM because he's effective at motivating emotions is no different from Moveon.org disliking Rove because he's just as effective at doing the same thing.

I'm not trying to call anyone out; I just don't get why it's okay to apply one standard to one group, but not to others. While I think a guy like Rove is the worst thing to have happened to this country since Nixon, I know he's intelligent and I respect his effectiveness.

All's fair in love and war, folks.

And let's get off that old "liberal media bias" bandwagon. I mean, yawn. What used to be the big three media outlets are corporate-owned (and editorially-driven by shareholder returns), while that famous liberal Rupert Murdoch is cramming "fair and balanced" down everyone's throats. So please, find a new argument.

[DriftyGypsy]

This is playing right into his hands... free publicity, OH poor Michael Moore the evil government is trying to stop him from showing his brilliant documentary that exposes... yeah, this just made him an extra million or two... wonder who leaked this info... the evil government or one of his publicists.

[smokemifyagotem]

MM is an *ss plain and simple. It is people like him that are killing the Democratic party. Why in God’s name he was allowed to sit in the presidential seats at the 2004 Democratic Convention is beyond me (Don’t get me wrong – as a Conservative I’m glad he did). Way to prove the Democrats have caved to the far left Kerry. Bravo…

[ATLHARP]

Originally Posted by muziq

That's a great standard...one which if applied across the board to all media stars and starlets (be they political, entertainment, corporate, or otherwise) would help elevate civil dialog in this country...



...although it appears you don't subscribe to that line of thinking entirely, as you're not willing to extend MM the same courtesy you were willing to extend to Bush or Limbaugh.

Whether or not the situation where Bush *not speaking the truth* equates to MM *outright lying* isn't really the point, is it?

Both Bush and MM are bent on manipulating our emotions (e.g. "love" or "hate" them) to evoke support for their positions. Disliking MM because he's effective at motivating emotions is no different from Moveon.org disliking Rove because he's just as effective at doing the same thing.

I'm not trying to call anyone out; I just don't get why it's okay to apply one standard to one group, but not to others. While I think a guy like Rove is the worst thing to have happened to this country since Nixon, I know he's intelligent and I respect his effectiveness.

All's fair in love and war, folks.

And let's get off that old "liberal media bias" bandwagon. I mean, yawn. What used to be the big three media outlets are corporate-owned (and editorially-driven by shareholder returns), while that famous liberal Rupert Murdoch is cramming "fair and balanced" down everyone's throats. So please, find a new argument.

No, it's just that Bush (Being a partisan political figure) and Limbaugh (A commentator) are not in the same business as mainstream news outlets which are supposed to produce objective journalism. Limbaugh has healthy track record concerning his commetary because it's just that- commentary. Moore on the other hand does not. Even other liberals and others which know him do not respect his methods or what he does. I am sorry if it tires you to hear the truth about how liberal the mainstream Media is, but guess what? It is true!

Fatass MM is another distinction completely- he deliberately distorts and lies in his movies to achieve a political point. The problem is that too many liberals tend to like it when he does (There are many liberals that despise him and find his faux populist blue collar charade revolting and the height of tepid hypocrisy). Rove has not produced films that deliberately either distort or assail peoples' reputations. Rove is a political operative, much the same as James Carville or Paul Begala.


MM on the other hand is two bit partisan hack who perpetuates myths and lies so that he can enrich himself while tearing down other people. Motivating emotions is one thing- being an outright liar and scoundrel is another.

For the record: Rupert Murdoch is a moderate (He has contributed to both Conservatives and Liberals over the years (George Bush, Al Gore, Hillary Clinton) and will continue to do so. I don't agree with Murdoch and his assessments often but he does know how to run a news agency and he doesn't allow his employees to spike stories like liberal media outlets tend to do.

ATL

[MrJerry]

MM is a loud mouth fatass POS!

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by MrJerry

MM is a loud mouth fatass POS!

Don't sugar coat it Jerry, we can handle your real opinion!

[gene]

Michael Moore - douchebag, douchebag- Michael Moore. Yep, the similarities are astounding.

[fl0at]

Whatever happened to wartime profiteering?

I say.. MM, donate the money your docmentary makes to American health care... or.. do you need it for donuts?

[Papichulo]

MIchael Moore is a douche-bag-fat-fuggly-piece-of-sh&^-licking-looser. Oh, did I leave something out

[PadronMe]

If MM is going to keep showing up in the news then I wish he would learn how to wear a freaking cap. Come on.

[Corona Gigante]

Originally Posted by PadronMe

If MM is going to keep showing up in the news then I wish he would learn how to wear a freaking cap. Come on.

My daughter informs me that it's called "trucker style." All the kids are doing it, apparently.