Michael Moore nabbed by Treasury Dept for filming in Cuba?

[gegtik]

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070510/D8P1F7AO0.html

hope it was worth it O_O

EDIT: docs --> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...071moore1.html

[Snoman13]

I can't stand MM, just because his movies are so blatently edited to a certain point-of-view, that the viewer isn't presented with any other possible points of view while watching, and people hail him as this amazing director who isnt afraid to take on the US government, etc. but he isn't doing a hell of a lot except further mis-informing people.

Sorry, had to get that out, don't want to cause a flame war.

[Corona Gigante]

Originally Posted by gegtik

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070510/D8P1F7AO0.html

hope it was worth it O_O

EDIT: docs --> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...071moore1.html

The publicity he's going to get from this will easily be worth the cost of breaking this law. What will be interesting is how he responds to the OPFAC request for information, if at all.

Originally Posted by Snoman13

...his movies are so blatently edited to a certain point-of-view, that the viewer isn't presented with any other possible points of view while watching...

Well, yeah. What makes him stand out is that he is presenting a leftist/populist point of view instead of the rightist/corporatist/governmental point of view more common amongst the mainstream news organizations.

[gegtik]

Originally Posted by Snoman13

I can't stand MM, just because his movies are so blatently edited to a certain point-of-view, that the viewer isn't presented with any other possible points of view while watching, and people hail him as this amazing director who isnt afraid to take on the US government, etc. but he isn't doing a hell of a lot except further mis-informing people.

Sorry, had to get that out, don't want to cause a flame war.

no worries I'm only posting this because it's interesting to me to see what sorts of penalties are associated with these kinds of things.. quoted from the article above, "Potential penalties for violating the embargo were not indicated. In 2003, the New York Yankees paid the government $75,000 to settle a dispute that it conducted business in Cuba in violation of the embargo. No specifics were released about that case."

You would think that at this point he would have a lawyer vetting stuff like this out for him.. dumb move on his part

[gegtik]

Originally Posted by Corona Gigante

Well, yeah. What makes him stand out is that he is presenting a left/individual/populist point of view instead of the right/governmental/corporatist point of view more common amongst the mainstream news organizations.

People listen to what they want to hear. It's amazing that you can ask a rightist or leftist and you will hear the same complaint -- mass media is politically affiliated with the "enemy".

[Corona Gigante]

Originally Posted by gegtik

You would think that at this point he would have a lawyer vetting stuff like this out for him.. dumb move on his part

See my comment above. He has filmed in Cuba before and is fully aware of the possible consequences.

This movie seems to be a full-length version of a piece he did for his TV show (was it TV Nation?--I forget). He compared the care a patient with a broken leg might received in Canada, the USA, and Cuba. He compared speed of service, quality of care, and cost. I seem to remember that he concluded that overall Canada offered the best health care.

Taking 10 ailing workers from the Ground Zero rescue effort in Manhattan for treatment in Cuba is an umistakably "Michael Moore" premise.

[ATLHARP]

Originally Posted by Corona Gigante

The publicity he's going to get from this will easily be worth the cost of breaking this law. What will be interesting is how he responds to the OPFAC request for information, if at all.




Well, yeah. What makes him stand out is that he is presenting a leftist/populist point of view instead of the rightist/corporatist/governmental point of view more common amongst the mainstream news organizations.

Well Fat-ass will definitely make some bank off of this. Moore is not a populist, not in really in anyway. he spends most of his time in NYC's Upper West Side with all of the other Champagne Socialists and Limousine Liberals who wouldn't know suffering if it came up and scratched their townhouse. Plain and simple Moore is a self-aggrandizing propagandist who exploits his subjects for the sake of profit.

I remember back when he had his show "TV Nation" on TNN (Now the Spike network). He threatened the writers on that show that if they joined SAG union that he would fire them because he could not afford to pay them union wages. That is only one of MANY stories about this shitbag when it comes to his hypocrisy. He is without conscience in anyway- completely phony. There are alot of sincere liberals out there that put their money where their mouth is; this guy is not one of them. He is a baseless liar and scoundrel who will do anything to make a dollar.



ATL

[ATLHARP]

Originally Posted by Corona Gigante

Well, yeah. What makes him stand out is that he is presenting a leftist/populist point of view instead of the rightist/corporatist/governmental point of view more common amongst the mainstream news organizations.

News media is so overrun with liberals that you can't swing a fish in any news bureau without hitting one. if the mainstream news media is so conservative- why are they all overrun by former Democratic staffers?

(NBC/ABC) Chris Matthews- Jimmy Carter staffer
(NBC)Tim Russert- Monahan staffer
(ABC)George Stepanopolous- Clinton Press Secretary

Liberal? Yeah right.

ATL

[JCK]

This is exactly what MM is looking for. I'm sure his next segment will be a documentary on OFAC. MM has enough supporters that regardless of the fines he'll have enough lobby power/influence to stop the proceedings or pay the fines and go his way.

[mudd]

I'm sickened by MM calling his films Documentaries. They're blatant propaganda. As others have mentioned, it's all done with deceptive editing. By showing things out of context, clever ordering of images etc etc, he decides what he wants the audience to think instead of letting the fact speak for themselves. It's a slap in the face to the real documentary filmmakers out there.

[Mr. White]

Originally Posted by ATLHARP

Well Fat-ass will definitely make some bank off of this. Moore is not a populist, not in really in anyway. he spends most of his time in NYC's Upper West Side with all of the other Champagne Socialists and Limousine Liberals who wouldn't know suffering if it came up and scratched their townhouse. Plain and simple Moore is a self-aggrandizing propagandist who exploits his subjects for the sake of profit.



ATL

Gee, Just like the President, and every other politician, news network, and corporation in existence. Oh yeah, and Rush Limbaugh. Can't forget him Michael Moore has just as much right to corrupt the truth as President Bush has. In fact he's got more right because he does NOT hold an office that is supposed to be associated with Truth, Honor, and Compassion.

And as far as the health care issues go, It's all true, whether you want to believe it or not, our health care system just plain sucks. I was denied an MRI and basically had to have Human Resources where I worked at the time call them up and threaten to drop them as an ins. carrier because they didn't want to pay for it. And the VA hospitals are even worse. My wife's uncle needs a liver transplant and has all kinds of crap going wrong with his body and all he gets is the run around at the VA hospitals. They've basically decided that they're just going to hold him off until he dies so they don't have to do anything for him. And this guy FOUGHT for our country.

It's disgusting.

And Chill out with the language and hostility eh?

[screwbag]

one thing that I'll give Michael Moore (weither he is right or wrong) is his movies stir up some things and get people talking...and more importantly..thinking about current issues....I think it's always good to have some good debate....

[taltos]

His "documentaries" are about as real as "This is Spinal Tap" or "A Mighty Wind" and are much less interesting. Straight party-line propaganda frome either side is boring and is guaranteed to be inaccurate.

[ATLHARP]

Originally Posted by Mr. White

Gee, Just like the President, and every other politician, news network, and corporation in existence. Oh yeah, and Rush Limbaugh. Can't forget him Michael Moore has just as much right to corrupt the truth as President Bush has. In fact he's got more right because he does NOT hold an office that is supposed to be associated with Truth, Honor, and Compassion.

And as far as the health care issues go, It's all true, whether you want to believe it or not, our health care system just plain sucks. I was denied an MRI and basically had to have Human Resources where I worked at the time call them up and threaten to drop them as an ins. carrier because they didn't want to pay for it. And the VA hospitals are even worse. My wife's uncle needs a liver transplant and has all kinds of crap going wrong with his body and all he gets is the run around at the VA hospitals. They've basically decided that they're just going to hold him off until he dies so they don't have to do anything for him. And this guy FOUGHT for our country.

It's disgusting.

And Chill out with the language and hostility eh?

Well at least you didn't have to wait six months for your MRI (like in Canada) or never receive one (like in Cuba). Liver transplants are done on a waiting list; the run around deals with certain health factors. You think a liver transplant is hell here? Try one in Canada or Cuba where the wait is twice as long and available donors are non-existent. Livers aren't just popping up on the market. There is a shortage of them. I am sorry that your uncle couldn't get one, but to take that out on our health system (or anyone else's) because there is shortage of that resource is dishonest.

For the record, nobody has the right to corrupt the truth. The very fact that you think that is a right goes to show the character and person that you are. Words mean things, and the truth is worth having people stand up and speak it clearly. I could care less about George Bush or Limbaugh in the prospect of the truth. When they speak it I will agree, when they don't I will disagree. Michael Moore does not have the right distort and outright lie when it comes to making films. The fact that you think he is justified in making lies and outright distortions is absurd. This is how partisan hacks get their roots; by justifying liars and scoundrels for their own political ends. You need to take a long look in the mirror and see what is happening to you.

As far as for manner of speech which you find disagreeable: 2 things.
1. I have a first amendment right to express my opinion in the way I see fit. Not the way YOU see fit.
2. Moore is a despicable fraud and deserves to be shamed in the manner in which I did.

[auradefect]

Oh, don't even get me started on Michael Moore.