North Korea and their Nukes.

[magno]

I have so many objections to what you just wrote, Jeff, but on one point we agree: We don't need to talk about these things on CS. I spend way too much time on political websites as it is and am a recent casualty of political journalism (I co-ran a conservative college publication a few years back). I'm gradually weaning myself off national politics --if only for a while -- and CS has been a great help.

Originally Posted by Jeff

This will be my last post on this thread because it is obvious that some of use are getting a bit bent out of shape. The same ones that voted down creating an area for controversial issues.http://www.clubstogie.com/vb/poll.ph...ults&pollid=80
The respect we have for each others opinions amazes me.

Here is one of many polls that I can find on the net. BTW, I don't use CNN or Fox, or the other conglomerate news agencies. Its impossible to get accurate news when less than 6 companies own all the media in this country. Remember Fox during the election? Bush's cousin made the decision to call it a win in Florida when the other networks didn't???

Anyway. I'm an average citizen with real problems and concerns. Most of the people I talk to are being vastly more affected by issues like education, healthcare, unemployment. Who cares about some korean or iraqi when you can't afford to go to the doctor, or are out of a change? These are the real issues we deal with. I ask why isn't the administration dealing with them?

Korea. Get real man. The US isn't some altruistic benign force in the world. We only do things if there is something in it for us. the only reason we went into Korea is because we were scarred of the spread of communism. Not to help out the poor people there. Same with Vietnam. WE would still be in there too if they didn't boot us out.
and Saddam... There is mass murder everyday in Africa, but we don't bother because there is nothing valuable there for us.

Lets bring back peace to CS. There isn't a place here for issues as hot as this.

[galaga]

Please excuse the thread jack but you guys went down a very interesting detour in your saving of the world.

Originally Posted by SeanGAR

Interesting work, really interesting. If I could get some funding I would drop the peanuts and everything else and work on tobacco flavor FOR THE GOOD OF MANKIND.

If I was living in Canada I would be doing this work. If I publish the work here, somebody will no doubt question how I could have analysed Cuban cigars. I might be able to say I followed a mysterious man around with his cat named Einstein......

Sean

Well, who would fund such an undertaking, I doubt if there is any federal agency that would fund such an undertaking so you would have to go to the state or maybe private, say RJ Reynolds, Altadais ...?
What would you need, 50K for a post doc, a little bump in salary for your time and pro rate you machine time.
Any PC concerns at you institution vis-a-vis working on tobacco?
Now if, for political reasons, you can't determine the chemical ptofile for the Cuban twang, you certainly have enough of an educated palate to know the difference between Cuban like and non-Cuban like tobacco and if you got funded would be able to get samples analysed from said good and bad samples. In otherwords, you would be able to research the chemical difference between say a Padron 1926 and a Padron Fumas.
My boss always told me "Make the science work so you know whats happening, then when we apply for the funding we know it will work." So, have you tried it yet?.
Hey if you got money from Altadais, they already own a lot of Cuban tobacco, and you know who won't live forever.
Again sorry for the thread jack, please return to your regularly scheduled posts.

[MM2(SW)S]

Originally Posted by galaga

Please excuse the thread jack but you guys went down a very interesting detour in your saving of the world.




Well, who would fund such an undertaking, I doubt if there is any federal agency that would fund such an undertaking so you would have to go to the state or maybe private, say RJ Reynolds, Altadais ...?
What would you need, 50K for a post doc, a little bump in salary for your time and pro rate you machine time.
Any PC concerns at you institution vis-a-vis working on tobacco?
Now if, for political reasons, you can't determine the chemical ptofile for the Cuban twang, you certainly have enough of an educated palate to know the difference between Cuban like and non-Cuban like tobacco and if you got funded would be able to get samples analysed from said good and bad samples. In otherwords, you would be able to research the chemical difference between say a Padron 1926 and a Padron Fumas.
My boss always told me "Make the science work so you know whats happening, then when we apply for the funding we know it will work." So, have you tried it yet?.
Hey if you got money from Altadais, they already own a lot of Cuban tobacco, and you know who won't live forever.
Again sorry for the thread jack, please return to your regularly scheduled posts.

The detour this thread took is for the better. I am now intrigued by the idea. The probability of finding the Cuban twang is there, this could work. If you sample a several Cubans and several non-Cubans or should I say HonDrnic or whatever. Then you see what the Cubans have in common. The non-Cubans have in common. Then what the non-Cubans and Cubans have and common. This would significantly reduce the haystack to a few chemicals that are in Cubans alone. The GMCS would be more useful(in my opinion) than the GCO. I doubt the twang is a result of just one chemical in the smokes. I do however believe the twang is a result of the mineral deposits of the earth that the plants are growing. The combination of say magnesium (which cause a nice white ash) and say off the top of my head potassium. This isn’t evidence of actual analysis of the ground but me trying to rationalize the different possibilities. My thought process is so chaotic. So follow me if you have say 10 parts magnesium 15 parts potassium, 5 parts selenium add that with the chemicals the plants are sprayed with mixed with the high temps the cigars burn this could cause the allusive Habano twang. What do you think? Thanks by the way of changing the subject. Sorry I posted it. I just wanted to see some thoughts, this new topic works just as well for me. So thanks once again for the change of direction. Do you think I or some one else needs to start a new thread for this, that way more gorillas will be able, willing to read it?

[AAlmeter]

The whole thing would end up a disaster. SeanGar would be focused on the twang-causing chemicals, Id go after the leathery chemicals, and then IHT would bust in demanding to know what the hell leathery is and if it is the same or different than twang.

Mo would likely bomb the lab to hell, poker would gamble away our funding, PDS would take away our degrees (well, I dont have one yet...but for the sake of argument) because we obtained them illegally, Jeff would yell at us for buying our tupperdors at Wal-Mart (probably while wearing a damn Penn State sweatshirt), KHat would harass the mice in the lab next door, Lascivious would just whore up the joint, Eef would draw all over our published findings, and Gamelover would come back and steal all or our test specimens.

[AAlmeter]

Originally Posted by MM2(SW)S

The detour this thread took is for the better. I am now intrigued by the idea. The probability of finding the Cuban twang is there, this could work. If you sample a several Cubans and several non-Cubans or should I say HonDrnic or whatever. Then you see what the Cubans have in common. The non-Cubans have in common. Then what the non-Cubans and Cubans have and common. This would significantly reduce the haystack to a few chemicals that are in Cubans alone. The GMCS would be more useful(in my opinion) than the GCO. I doubt the twang is a result of just one chemical in the smokes. I do however believe the twang is a result of the mineral deposits of the earth that the plants are growing. The combination of say magnesium (which cause a nice white ash) and say off the top of my head potassium. This isn’t evidence of actual analysis of the ground but me trying to rationalize the different possibilities. My thought process is so chaotic. So follow me if you have say 10 parts magnesium 15 parts potassium, 5 parts selenium add that with the chemicals the plants are sprayed with mixed with the high temps the cigars burn this could cause the allusive Habano twang. What do you think? Thanks by the way of changing the subject. Sorry I posted it. I just wanted to see some thoughts, this new topic works just as well for me. So thanks once again for the change of direction. Do you think I or some one else needs to start a new thread for this, that way more gorillas will be able, willing to read it?

I think both topics were great. This is a cigar site, but we are also a group of friends and associates that gather to shoot the bull. I treat it the same as if I were at my local shop shooting the bull with the people I know there.

Back to the latest topic of this thread....my knowledge of this is about 1/100000th of SeanGars as, from what I gather, this is right up the alley of his research. It would be interesting to know the cause, but from leaf to leaf there are likely a ton of minute variables. It could be differences in sugar procuction due to sun exposure, or more likely mineral uptake. It could be the Cuban soild, which I believe has more calcium, or bacteria living in the soil making compounds easier for the plant to absorb (though these would likely be present on the Cuban seed, so scratch that). The only way to know for sure is to proceed with the research. Our only hope is to find a rich lover of the leaf already has an Institute established.....hmmmmm.....Sean, you wouldnt mind working for the Limbaugh Institute For Advanced Conservative Studies would you???

[galaga]

Originally Posted by MM2(SW)S

Thanks by the way of changing the subject. Sorry I posted it. I just wanted to see some thoughts, this new topic works just as well for me. So thanks once again for the change of direction. Do you think I or some one else needs to start a new thread for this, that way more gorillas will be able, willing to read it?

I was just intrigued by the idea that AA had too and just because SeanGar can't publish it doesn't mean that he has never looked at the profile, he's got the machines. I really don't think you need to start a new thread for this, it will go on or die out of its own accord. And why should you be sorry about starting this thread, I found it highly interesting and entertaining.

BTW I read somebody's online article about the high levels of Lithium in the Cuban soil. They were arguing that the Li gave the tobacco a unique flavor, either by itself or by what it allowed the plant to produce. Then one guy was arguing that the Lii was acting as an antidepressant and that was why some people liked Cubans so much...

AA you crack me up..... maybe SeanGar would work a the EIB institute

[AAlmeter]

Originally Posted by galaga

I was just intrigued by the idea that AA had too and just because SeanGar can't publish it doesn't mean that he has never looked at the profile, he's got the machines.

Not sure about SeanGar and his funding sources, but Ive only mildly participated in NIH stuff, and man....you don't fart around with the scope of your projects.

Originally Posted by galaga

AA you crack me up..... maybe SeanGar would work a the EIB institute

I'll be here all night, folks. No...really...practice in 3 hours, no use in sleeping.

[LasciviousXXX]

Originally Posted by AAlmeter

The whole thing would end up a disaster. SeanGar would be focused on the twang-causing chemicals, Id go after the leathery chemicals, and then IHT would bust in demanding to know what the hell leathery is and if it is the same or different than twang.

Mo would likely bomb the lab to hell, poker would gamble away our funding, PDS would take away our degrees (well, I dont have one yet...but for the sake of argument) because we obtained them illegally, Jeff would yell at us for buying our tupperdors at Wal-Mart (probably while wearing a damn Penn State sweatshirt), KHat would harass the mice in the lab next door, Lascivious would just whore up the joint, Eef would draw all over our published findings, and Gamelover would come back and steal all or our test specimens.

Well, at least you're right about one thing

[MM2(SW)S]

New thought, bear with me I am a little intoxicated. The free-living, nitrogen-fixing bacteria Azotobacter chroococcum, isolated from Cuban soils, is used extensively in Cuba to provide N to crops. Applied at 10*8 [10 to the 8th] CFU per gram of soil, up to 50% of crop N needs are said by researchers to be supplied by this organism, as well as supplying biologically active substances such as auxins, cytokinen, and giberellin. Research shows that treated tomato soil yielded 30-40% better seedling survival, 30% taller seedlings, 20% more leaves, 40% greater stem diameter, and 52% more biomass, and an overall yield increase of 25%. Since the 1989 this stuff was developed and used on the fields to treat the plants as a natural pesticid. Correct me if I am wrong, but in prior to 1995 Cuban cigars tasted better or I'll say different and there were more of a twang to them. So in 1989 they start to use this new natural pesticide vise non-organic pesticides, then there is posible corilation between pesticides and the Habano twang, that is assuming it took several years for the pesticides to affect the soil. Any thoughts about this?

[AAlmeter]

Ok Sean, youre up. I'm going to sit in the corner, smoke a cigar, and wait for someone to ask a question about flocculators or bridges or something.

[MM2(SW)S]

Originally Posted by AAlmeter

Ok Sean, youre up. I'm going to sit in the corner, smoke a cigar, and wait for someone to ask a question about flocculators or bridges or something.

I give a few mins and I will think of some kind of mechanical engineering question related the the Cuban twang. The has to be a connection between the brige 4 miles away from the field effecting the chemical properties of the soil thus causing the Cuban twang. I think we solved it AA and see we didn' t need the 100K GCMS. We just need a drunk guy and sleep deprived college guy Lets celebrate

[AAlmeter]

Originally Posted by MM2(SW)S

I give a few mins and I will think of some kind of mechanical engineering question related the the Cuban twang. The has to be a connection between the brige 4 miles away from the field effecting the chemical properties of the soil thus causing the Cuban twang. I think we solved it AA and see we didn' t need the 100K GCMS. We just need a drunk guy and sleep deprived college guy Lets celebrate

Generally, drunk guy = sleep deprived college guy

just depends on the night of the week

And yes, Im all for celebrating. 2 more nights until my weekend (no boozing tomorrow, Saturday we open our season against Indiana)...then

[MM2(SW)S]

Originally Posted by AAlmeter

Generally, drunk guy = sleep deprived college guy

just depends on the night of the week

And yes, Im all for celebrating. 2 more nights until my weekend (no boozing tomorrow, Saturday we open our season against Indiana)...then

How true about drunk=sleep deprived, that sumed up my college years

So season opener, good luck I am expecting a Pitt victory. Indiana exgirlfriend went there.

[AAlmeter]

Originally Posted by MM2(SW)S

How true about drunk=sleep deprived, that sumed up my college years

So season opener, good luck I am expecting a Pitt victory. Indiana exgirlfriend went there.

Thanks man...Ill give you the full report. Im hoping to get some PT again now. My first game in over a year since my back injury. Nothing like starting over from scratch.

[SeanGAR]

Hmm interesting point about the N-fixing bacteria. Maybe I should start mixing a few peanut root nodules into my Dominicans. One of my former PhD students worked in Brazil for RJR on tobacco flavor research for her Masters. They did a lot of "sensory panels", basically smoking the new formulations and seeing how much they liked the cigarette. Wouldn't that be great, for work being required to smoke cigars in the search for twang. I think this work could be conducted in a small lab on St. Barts ... anybody know a billionaire who would throw JUST A FEW MILLION into a state of the art lab down there?

There was some talk on another board last year about a Canadian test that could identify Cuban from non-cuban tobacco. They were worried that unbnded cigars could be identified as Cubans by the Feds. I haven't found that reference yet but I'm looking, it will probably be quite useful in this regard.