Michael Moore Making Sense...

[DETROITPHA357]

Originally Posted by ATLHARP

My thoughts? Michael Moore is an useless self-aggrandizing douche bag who exploits people in need to further his own financial and/or political motives. In short, he is just like everybody else in Hollywood.........but fatter.

ATL

wow i guess what u said about will smith in my thread wasnt all that bad after all

[erictheobscure]

Originally Posted by maddman

Please what lie/half truth propaganda part of Bowling for Columbine did you find compelling?

I can tell you exactly why Bowling for Columbine is compelling. It asks one very good question: why do Americans kill each other so often? It does not come up with any single convincing answer, but the question itself is worth asking time and again.

[clampdown]

Originally Posted by ATLHARP

My thoughts? Michael Moore is an useless self-aggrandizing douche bag who exploits people in need to further his own financial and/or political motives. In short, he is just like everybody else in Hollywood.........but fatter.

I pondered this. Why take them to Cuba which has a human rights record that's second to only Iran to get healthcare? Why not Canada? Britain? Sweden? These were all viable alternatives that have health care systems different from our own. Also each of these countries doesn't treat their people like garbage. Why go to a totalitarian regime that has threatened the US with nuclear weapons? Could it be the controversy that it would create? No, can't be.........MM would not do something just to get his movie more attention.


ATL

I think he does go to Europe, the Cuba part seemed like a small aspect of the film from what he was saying. He was more curious as to why terrorists in custody are getting better health care then people who responded to 9/11. Im not defending him, just passing on what he was saying on Stern.

[MiloFinch]

The following is my $.02

I think Moore is an abhorrent human being. He goes to extremes to make points, and still skips over anything that would be contradictory to his philosophy and goals, and there are numerous. He interviews only like-minded people in any intelligible way, and treats anyone who disagrees with what he complete disregard.

However, Bowling for Columbine made a couple good points, but I do not agree hardley any of his political ideals. Farenheight 911 was, for brevity's sake, retarted. I haven't read anything about Sicko, and probably won't watch it until it comes to Netflix.

The truth can be hard to hear sometimes, but there is a hell of a lot better way to present it.

By the by. This is exactly what he wants, but oh well. He just wants controversy to make money off his films, and I don't think he gives a shit about the subjects anymore.

And I'm a little sadder now, just having found out he wrote and directed Canadian Bacon.

[publicspeakingnerd]

I've only seen "Bowling for columbine" and knew right away that it was very biased. If I do get around to seeing his other films, I will take them with a grain of salt. In fact, ANY documentary should be taken with a grain of salt unless the facts are presented in a non-biased way.

That being said, anything that gets people talking or even remotely questioning our government (and even questioning MM himself) is good I suppose. At least people are talking and trying to understand whatever mess we might be focusing our attention this week.

Personally, I wish Morgan Spurlock (the guy who did "Super-Size Me") would direct more films like this. I think he would be a bit less biased AND it wouldn't come off as Political Propoganda.

But, "Sicko" does intrigue me...might see it and see if MM has learned anything about telling both sides of the story....

[FlyerFanX]

Originally Posted by DriftyGypsy

Michael Moore makes Propaganda films and calls them documentaries.

He is an a$$. I will not support him by watching any more of his films.

[ATLHARP]

Originally Posted by clampdown

I think he does go to Europe, the Cuba part seemed like a small aspect of the film from what he was saying. He was more curious as to why terrorists in custody are getting better health care then people who responded to 9/11. Im not defending him, just passing on what he was saying on Stern.

In understand that, but health care is the responsibility of private individuals. Detainees are imprisoned non-combatants who have no ability to provide health care for themselves. Private individuals have the means to provide health care for themselves. A better question would be: Who receives better health care, Terrorist detainees or incarcerated prisoners in Angola or Parchman's Farm?

I think that would be a better scenario to frame the question. I doubt Moore would do that because he wouldn't be able to generate the sympathy for what he was doing and churn up the antipathy against his target: Insurance companies. Moore is the worst type of scoundrel and exploiter. He cares nothing about the people he exploits and will do anything to make money off their misery or by creating it in others.

ATL

[clampdown]

Originally Posted by ATLHARP

In understand that, but health care is the responsibility of private individuals. Detainees are imprisoned non-combatants who have no ability to provide health care for themselves. Private individuals have the means to provide health care for themselves. A better question would be: Who receives better health care, Terrorist detainees or incarcerated prisoners in Angola or Parchman's Farm?

I think that would be a better scenario to frame the question. I doubt Moore would do that because he wouldn't be able to generate the sympathy for what he was doing and churn up the antipathy against his target: Insurance companies. Moore is the worst type of scoundrel and exploiter. He cares nothing about the people he exploits and will do anything to make money off their misery or by creating it in others.

ATL

Dont shoot the messenger, Im just telling you what was said on the show.

[Corona Gigante]

Personally, I think the Harry Potter books are crap, but I'm not going to argue with anything that gets so many people excited about reading a book. Same with MM. My hat's off to anyone who can make the subject of health care in the US entertaining enough to make people sit through a two hour movie, and controversial enough to actually stir up a serious debate.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by ATLHARP

My thoughts? Michael Moore is an useless self-aggrandizing douche bag who exploits people in need to further his own financial and/or political motives.

ATL

Calling MM a douche bag is an insult to douche bags.

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by icehog3

Calling MM a douche bag is an insult to douche bags.

[virginia_dave]

MM is a waste of carbon.

While I support anyones right to protest what is right and wrong in this country to do so with lies and falsehoods is wrong.

I also had 8 years of government provided health care thanks to the US Navy and have nothing good to say about that experience. As broken as our health care system is why are so many Canadians coming across the border to pay for procedures they could get in Canada,,,if they only waited several more months. Growing up in Maine and my family there now can vouch for this.

[carni]

health care is a mess, gun control is a mess, bush's decision making has been questionable...congrats on pointing out the obvious Mr. Moore. The guy does make FEW good points but it is all after the fact.

I would respect him if he had an original idea, but he takes current major issues and makes a documentory on them. Why not be ahead of the curve and create a documentory that show either the good of the country or how our decisions now will effect our future...you know catch it before it starts.

he is a glorified Geraldo. what's next micheal documentories on childhood obesity...big business ethics...public school systems...poverty issues in rural and big cities...or every other issue we deal with.

if you think a utopia is possible, get off the reefer, it is not possibe. World peace is not possible but we should strive for it...how about a moore/castro/chavez less world, that puts me pretty close to my utopia.

[Junior]

MM will do any thing to further his agenda. I don’t remember the couple name, but there was a couple that were huge fans of his. They tried to do a historical documentary about him and while researching it found out about his omissions from his films. One example is a documentary where he stated that the General Motors CEO would not speak to him, but they found footage that showed a long interview with him.

Thread Jack coming

One more thing kind of off subject, but about health care system. As others have said if socialized medicine ( It is just a matter of time until we have it here) is so great why do so many people from country’s come here for treatment and major surgeries? My other problem is in my area I have seen so many people living off of the system it just makes me sick. People that are fully capable of working, but would rather live off of there disability or there child’s. I have seen cases where people would have more children just to get a little more food stamp money. I have also stood behind people in the store with all big name designer clothing paying for there groceries with a food stamp card. I do believe that people who try should get the help they need, but it only takes a few bad apples to spoil the bunch. Sorry for the long rant, but it really makes me mad to see all these people get these freebies and the state workers have seen there pay raises frozen or lowered. Also hiring freezes for law enforcement due to cut backs.

Thread Jack over

These are just my opinions, but opinions are like A$$holes everyone has one.

[Wang Lung]

Michael Moore Making Sense... = oxymoron