Pipe "psuedo-elitism" or hoping for a higher standard....

[IHT]

i don't get how all of the sudden the "pipe forum members" are looked upon in a bad light?
seems we all have targets on our backs now for wanting to keep CS (mainly the pipe forum) the way it was meant to be - helpful, informative, newbie friendly, and fun.

judging by some recent comments of other members, they must not read down here very much and see just how helpful and friendly this area was.

as jeff said, "If it is elitist to hope that a new member or someone new to this section might do a little research as to how the board conducts itself, well then I guess I am an elitist.

I find it odd though that at one point there is talk of community and in the next breath it is talk of the establishment. Also, we have handled ourselves pretty good down here but it is upsetting when there is a thread and members of the board who do not regularly post down here put in their comments and then shut that thread down."

this part is hilarious though: "I guess I'm just worried that the people that take such extreme exception to newer guys and their questions will ultimately lost sight of what ClubStogie is all about."

of ANY area on CS, the pipe forum is the last to have lost sight of what CS is all about.

i can tell this is some sort of backlash at me and not the pipe forum members in general. it seems that trying to keep discussions on topic is a no-no nowadays.

I ASK YOU THIS, OH SUPER-MOD, LASCIVIOUSXXX: ask around and see who has been helpful to newbies around this place. see who wasn't receptive to newbies.
while you were busy post-whoring it up and bantering til the break of dawn, we ash-holes down here were actually being nice to each other and helping new and old members learn about pipe smoking.

bah, doesn't matter anyway, it's just a cigar board, right?

[replicant_argent]

While many of my posts on various parts of CS are not tobacco related, it does not keep me from feeling part of the community. Quite frankly, much of what I can/would/will say in regards to pipes/cigars/coffee, etc, has already been said. I am on a fairly shallow slope with pipes, and don't require a ton of information, but that doesn't keep me from reading the pipe corner.

As far as "wading through posts"........


uh..... I can scan thread titles, click on the ones that interest me, not click on those that don't. We aren't talking about thousands of posts in the pipe forum each day. My reading skills allow me to hit a back button quickly when not interested in a post.....

Without taking someone to task with the fact that their statements may not be in keeping with the "flavor" of the more "serious" corner of the site.






This is a place for entertainment, mostly, and you can find the knowledge you seek fairly easily, if you are intelligent about it. Finding the ability to scan and reject posts that don't interest you should be a relatively easy skillset to learn.

When I get the feeling that I am not contributing enough "Serious Madagascar Vanilla" to a sub forum.. I tend to not participate very much, even if I might have something that I was contemplating posting.

Complaining about fluff posts annoys me far more than the fluff posts themselves.


Pardon me while I think about/ignore untangling my/other peoples panties from their current bunched status.

[LasciviousXXX]

Originally Posted by IHT

I ASK YOU THIS, OH SUPER-MOD, LASCIVIOUSXXX: ask around and see who has been helpful to newbies around this place. see who wasn't receptive to newbies.
while you were busy post-whoring it up and bantering til the break of dawn, we ash-holes down here were actually being nice to each other and helping new and old members learn about pipe smoking.

bah, doesn't matter anyway, it's just a cigar board, right?

I have never questioned your helpfulness in the Pipe Forum Greg. Nor do I now. I was making observations on comments outside of the Pipe Forum. I respect what you do down here however was making my thoughts known.

If you have personal issues with me you would like to discuss I would be more than happy to speak with you in PM, if you ever decide to respond to any of my PM's.

And just for clarification I did not close down the IHT Super-Mod thread, that was PDS (the owner of the board).

[replicant_argent]

Originally Posted by replicant_argent

While many of my posts on various parts of CS are not tobacco related, it does not keep me from feeling part of the community. Quite frankly, much of what I can/would/will say in regards to pipes/cigars/coffee, etc, has already been said. I am on a fairly shallow slope with pipes, and don't require a ton of information, but that doesn't keep me from reading the pipe corner.

As far as "wading through posts"........


uh..... I can scan thread titles, click on the ones that interest me, not click on those that don't. We aren't talking about thousands of posts in the pipe forum each day. My reading skills allow me to hit a back button quickly when not interested in a post.....

Without taking someone to task with the fact that their statements may not be in keeping with the "flavor" of the more "serious" corner of the site.






This is a place for entertainment, mostly, and you can find the knowledge you seek fairly easily, if you are intelligent about it. Finding the ability to scan and reject posts that don't interest you should be a relatively easy skillset to learn.

When I get the feeling that I am not contributing enough "Serious Madagascar Vanilla" to a sub forum.. I tend to not participate very much, even if I might have something that I was contemplating posting.

Complaining about fluff posts annoys me far more than the fluff posts themselves.


Pardon me while I think about/ignore untangling my/other peoples panties from their current bunched status.

deleted in the interest of fair play and brotherhood. Although it won't change replies quoting the original, my intent remains.

[kheffelf]

Originally Posted by replicant_argent

Just thought that I would bump this up so anyone else that wanted to ding me again for stating my own, personal opinion can do so freely.

You are the one instigating in a place that you probably shouldn't be in. I didn't ding you, but with this post I can see a lot more people doing it.

[croatan]

Originally Posted by replicant_argent

Just thought that I would bump this up so anyone else that wanted to ding me again for stating my own, personal opinion can do so freely.

Originally Posted by kheffelf

You are the one instigating in a place that you probably shouldn't be in. I didn't ding you, but with this post I can see a lot more people doing it.

I'm sure I don't have to remind everyone that it's frowned upon to publicly discuss RG matters. Take it to pm if you have a problem.

[jgros001]

Originally Posted by replicant_argent

Just thought that I would bump this up so anyone else that wanted to ding me again for stating my own, personal opinion can do so freely.

This and your previous post are what I think do not belong in the pipe forum and for that matter any forum on the board. That is an opinion - what you posted was for the most part inflammatory (here are the highlights since you do not understand why I dinged you: bunched panties, lack of intelligence, lack of reading skills).

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by jgros001

I find it odd though that at one point there is talk of community and in the next breath it is talk of the establishment. Also, we have handled ourselves pretty good down here but it is upsetting when there is a thread and members of the board who do not regularly post down here put in their comments and then shut that thread down.

I feel compelled to chime in here, as I take some exception to this post.

A usually non-contributing member of the pipe forum made a post on the "IHT Super-Mod" thread. It may have seemed congratulatory to those who don't know the history between this member and Greg, but to those of us who do, it was a slam to Greg. The thread started going downhill from there and it was the fault of the "non-pipe" guy that started it, in my opinion. The decision to close it was made ultimately because of the digging that was going on towards Greg and the pipe crew, as I saw it.

Greg and others expressed their desire to keep the pipe forum free from as much nonsense and banter as possible, and I have respected that as a member and a mod. That thread was becoming littered with posts from the non-pipe guys, and seemed to benefit no one, especially Greg and the pipe crew. The decision to close it down had no input from those making the divisive posts, it was in fact in response to them.

I try to keep hands off as much as possible in the pipe forum, but I believe there was little good that was going to come from that thread in the direction it had headed. I know Greg doesn't need me to defend him, but I saw the shots being taken at him as something unacceptable on the site. I consider Greg a friend, though I fear the feeling is hardly mutual at this juncture.

You won't see a lot of posts from me in the Forum because I am not a pipe smoker and I respect the pipe crews' desire to keep the "banter" out of the pipe area, but I felt compelled to at least set some things straight, at least in my view of them.

[pnoon]

Originally Posted by kheffelf

You are the one instigating in a place that you probably shouldn't be in. I didn't ding you, but with this post I can see a lot more people doing it.

Kyle, I respect you and your attempt to keep the threads clutter-free but the underlined part of your post is cause for concern. I am not sure how you decide who should or shouldn't be permitted in the Pipe Forum.

[replicant_argent]

Originally Posted by kheffelf

You are the one instigating in a place that you probably shouldn't be in. I didn't ding you, but with this post I can see a lot more people doing it.

I think the bolded says a lot about the thread itself, thank you.

Originally Posted by croatan

I'm sure I don't have to remind everyone that it's frowned upon to publicly discuss RG matters. Take it to pm if you have a problem.

Correct, James. My apologies.

Originally Posted by jgros001

This and your previous post are what I think do not belong in the pipe forum and for that matter any forum on the board. That is an opinion - what you posted was for the most part inflammatory (here are the highlights since you do not understand why I dinged you: bunched panties, lack of intelligence, lack of reading skills).

You may notice I referenced "MY reading skills" in my statement of my opinion.

If you want to get upset about the term "bunched panties" thats up to you man.

you can find the knowledge you seek fairly easily, if you are intelligent about it. How is that an affront to anyone?
I understand your desire for the pipe forum to be the way you want it to be, however, I saw no insult in that phrasing whatsoever.

I can certainly take this discussion to pm if you would like to.

[croatan]

There are lots of posts by lots of people on the board that I choose not to read (unless they're reported). I don't have the time or the inclination to read every post. But as long as they aren't violating a rule, people are basically free to post what they like--regardless of how inane it might be. I'm just glad I don't have to read them all. I've always liked that the pipe forum didn't contain many of those kinds of posts. Things are a little different down here and that seems to be how most of the regulars want it.

So, how about just leading by example? If you don't want to read inane posts, then don't. Don't read them. Don't make them. And don't respond to them. Some people post crap just hoping to get a response or a rise out of someone. Put them on ignore, don't give them what they want, and they'll probably go away.

It's all about norms versus rules. The social norms down here have been a little different than in most other parts of the board. That's ok and doesn't, by itself, make the members "elitist", in my opinion. Now, if people start piling on some guy saying "you can't post here because you don't know anything about pipes" (or something along those lines), then that is elitist and exclusionary and, in my opinion, is contrary to the spirit of Club Stogie as a whole.

But most people who know me think I'm an elitist A-hole anyway, so take it for what it's worth--just about

[IHT]

Originally Posted by icehog3

I consider Greg a friend, though I fear the feeling is hardly mutual at this juncture.

no tom, we're all good. i have been meaning to call you, almost did last week when i was out of town but got too busy.

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this thread sucks, btw.



i think the bottom line is that the bastard children (pipe guys) would like CS like it use to be.
they are now getting a bad wrap for taking that them OUT of the pipe forum.
ironic that the "useless" posts are now being taken OUT of the "everything but" forum.

it is what it is.

i would just like to be known as "a pipe guy", not "greg and the pipe guys".

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Originally Posted by lasciviousxxx

If you have personal issues with me you would like to discuss I would be more than happy to speak with you in PM, if you ever decide to respond to any of my PM's.

i considered you a good friend, dustin...
you have changed dramatically since the summer of '06. i don't know what happened to you, but i tried to call you numerous times in Aug, Sep, etc, etc of that year, even in '07. you never took my calls and never called back.
then to find out on the board that you had some personal issues that seemed a number already knew about... well, as a friend, it hurt personally, that you couldn't take my calls during that time and see if i could help.
i tried to call you, as a friend... blown off. gave you your room, and you have changed dramatically. you can blow me off again, but as a (i guess) former friend, maybe you'll listen when i say you have changed. if you don't see it and disagree, that's fine.
do i have any personal issues? none that i just didn't state.
non-personal, yes. it seems your comments down here aimed at other pipe members are unjust and wrong - WE are trying to keep CS as helpful and newby friendly as possible (not just me - i'm a spec compared to the contributions by many of the pipe members down here).

gotta run, work calls.

[kheffelf]

Originally Posted by replicant_argent

I think the bolded says a lot about the thread itself, thank you.


Correct, James. My apologies.



You may notice I referenced "MY reading skills" in my statement of my opinion.

If you want to get upset about the term "bunched panties" thats up to you man.

you can find the knowledge you seek fairly easily, if you are intelligent about it. How is that an affront to anyone?
I understand your desire for the pipe forum to be the way you want it to be, however, I saw no insult in that phrasing whatsoever.

I can certainly take this discussion to pm if you would like to.

Ok, Pete, you knew your post was just going to cause problems but you posted it anyways. Then you bump your post because you got upset about somebody dinging your ring gauge. To me you don't belong in this thread(and that is what I meant with my comment) because you're only looking for trouble. I was also not a fan of your ending in your post. Feel free to make me the bad guy in this thread, I have no problem with that because that has happened a lot here lately.

[rumballs]

Originally Posted by kheffelf

Ok, Pete, you knew your post was just going to cause problems but you posted it anyways. Then you bump your post because you got upset about somebody dinging your ring gauge. To me you don't belong in this thread(and that is what I meant with my comment) because you're only looking for trouble. I was also not a fan of your ending in your post. Feel free to make me the bad guy in this thread, I have no problem with that because that has happened a lot here lately.

Isn't this whole thread going to cause problems?
If only one side of this argument "belongs" in the thread, what's the point of the thread?
He posted his opinion on the issue / theme of the thread - why don't you do the same instead of attacking him?

Some advice for everyone (sorry, didn't want to embed the image because the page specifically says copyright):
http://www.pbase.com/philthompson/image/65214570

[Da Klugs]

Using the term "we" as a subset of the forum is natural as everyone gravitates to social groups and specialty interests in almost any endeavor.

It also implies concurrence and acceptance from the "host" in this case PDS for that distinction. In that caution should be considered when by inference or direct comparison saying one part or group of CS is better or at minimum it's being unchanged from the past is better.

"We" are all members of this forum. "We" all deserve to be treated with respect regardless of our specific area of interest. "We" all have the right to post in any area of this forum we choose to and in any manner accepted under the rules or over time by our fellow members. "We" all have the ability to communicate in methods to each other that can make a point without putting up whiney "the way we were" threads. The "way we were" is a relative thing. Ever read any of the really old threads? It can be enlightening. Same stuff, just on a real slow smaller scale.

If a post whore comes into your lil corner of paradise and you don't like it... say it to them in the thread. If they still don't "get it", send a PM. If that doesn't help then use what you perceive to be important to them as a message and ding their RG.

"We", Cigar smokers, Pipe Smokers, Coffee Drinkers, Entertainment Reviewers, Radio Listeners, Game Players, Whiney lil Biatches, Post Whores, Grumpy Old Farts, Newbies, FOG's, SLope Sliders, Bargain Hunters, Elitest Cuban Cigar Snobs, Troop Supporters, etc are Club Stogie.