The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act

[Arizona]

Originally Posted by phatmax

I think once the .gov figures it is time to start getting Americans to pay for all these goodies and starts putting ever increasing taxes on things Americans buy everyday... more moderate people who voted one way, will look at their wallet and want someone who will trim fat, not add to it.

My personal view is that most, not all, but most politicos try their best to get re-elected by promising every increasing goodies and ever increasing "oversight" which just means more taxpayer money going to government.

Looking at the raw numbers, every taxpaying household now owns over $500K in government debt. This is without the trillions needed for National healthcare. So, right now, if the .gov budget was cut to equal the annual tax revenue, (balanced budget).... each taxpaying household would have to pony up and ADDITIONAL $50,000 for the next 10-12 years, every year...to pay off the debt.

It is a house of cards that just keeps getting bigger, because every knucklehead that promises his or her constituents .gov projects, money, assistance, etc... is just taking from their pockets, running the money through the beauracracy and sending it back is smaller amounts.

Eventually, people will have to RElearn that the government has NO money. They just get money from people and when they spend more, they must take more.

And to take more, they need to tax more...hence the situation we are in right here with tobacco and coming soon, soda and alcohol, and I believe things such as red meat, dessert products and fast food...

We're currently under occupation by a enemy - yes Communists are an outright enemy to any free nation - that few comprehend how extreme the damage they cause will be. They're going to COLLAPSE the US economy in the next year or two, or maybe three, but it's going to collapse. The level of both personal and government debt is so extreme there's no way to avoid this. The fools are printing billions of worthless paper dollars and this will be a bullet in the head to the already faltering and extremely precarious situation we are in. The depression in the 1930's did not involve half of the problems we now face with credit card debt, screwy mortgages people have on their home, etc. Soon to come will be outrageous inflation not seen since the Weimar republic when a wheelbarrow full of cash would get you a loaf of bread, etc. To try and counter this they'll jack up interest rates into credit-card levels and this will finish off any who thought they could hold on and survive.

Hold onto your butt cuz it's going to be a worldwide catastrophe. Stock up on your tobacco and prepare yourself in other ways the best you can beforehand...

[phatmax]

Originally Posted by Arizona

We're currently under occupation by a enemy - yes Communists are an outright enemy to any free nation - that few comprehend how extreme the damage they cause will be. They're going to COLLAPSE the US economy in the next year or two, or maybe three, but it's going to collapse. The level of both personal and government debt is so extreme there's no way to avoid this. The fools are printing billions of worthless paper dollars and this will be a bullet in the head to the already faltering and extremely precarious situation we are in. The depression in the 1930's did not involve half of the problems we now face with credit card debt, screwy mortgages people have on their home, etc. Soon to come will be outrageous inflation not seen since the Weimar republic when a wheelbarrow full of cash would get you a loaf of bread, etc. To try and counter this they'll jack up interest rates into credit-card levels and this will finish off any who thought they could hold on and survive.

Hold onto your butt cuz it's going to be a worldwide catastrophe. Stock up on your tobacco and prepare yourself in other ways the best you can beforehand...

Vladimir Lenin "The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation."

Keep buying supplies.

[Arizona]

Great quote Phatmax! Wow how true, but still more amazing is how people NEVER seem to learn the lessons of history despite the tactics of tyrants almost never changing - always the same old thing and people are so clueless they keep falling for it over and over and over again.

Tyrants need to be hung - they're easy to recognize if you only know your history!

[N7COF]

I'm stocking my cellar up but I also keep in mind "All Politics is Theater" to bad they are playing with our liberties & wallets

[RJpuffs]

I only had 29 lbs cellared, and all this talk made me go and buy more. I needed pipe cleaners (heavens, will they ban those too?) - so picked up 5xFVF and 4xSt.JamesFlake to get free shipping

Now up to 30 lbs, by the cellar-place's calculations enough for 8 years. Hmmm ... two elections ...

[Mad Hatter]

Originally Posted by Arizona

Great quote Phatmax! Wow how true, but still more amazing is how people NEVER seem to learn the lessons of history despite the tactics of tyrants almost never changing - always the same old thing and people are so clueless they keep falling for it over and over and over again.

Tyrants need to be hung - they're easy to recognize if you only know your history!

Like the use of fear and the continual repetition of a message as a means of affecting public opinion?

[Plazma]

Wow, I guess as a non-conservative anti-capitalist I'll stay out of this thread.

Just a reminder, you may have enough for yourself, remember that when there's a collapse money will likely be useless so you should also store some extra tobacco for bartering purposes after the death of the capitalist system and the rebirth of bartering.

[Zeabed]

The progressive, Pavlovian recipe for a Totalitarian State: A dog had his chain reduced one link at a time, every few days, until his chain was so short he could barely move. He never resisted because he had been conditioned to the loss of his freedom slowly, over time.

This is nothing new. Socialist Party leader Norman Thomas described the blueprint a long time ago. He vowed that they would work from within to destroy the economy, until "you fall into our hands like overripe fruit." That quotation is not a paraphrase: I heard a tape of that speech, and anyway I remember the well-known tactics of Fabianism, and I remember Norman Thomas, who died all of 40 years ago. The only difference now is that they're cutting off longer segments from the dog chain, and they're doing it with increasing momentum. They must be getting impatient; either that or they're really hopeful of nearing their goal.

[strider72]

Maybe the dog will turn around and bite them the hext time they put their hand on the chain. On the average, amerikans are ignorant to politics, tactics, reality it seems, etc.

[garydh2000]

In addition to the already posted brilliant comments:

They went after the children in our land through "government-run schools" and of course, "higher education". Parents seemed to have just let it happen, as ignorance is bliss, I guess? So now in addition to government run schools we have govt. run banks and auto manufacturers with perhaps more on da way, I say.

And how about taxation without "intelligent-moral-ethical" representation! Here here I say...

Can anyone show me where socialism has actually worked? Oh I am sorry to have said the "S" word.

Gary

[Zeabed]

Originally Posted by strider72

Maybe the dog will turn around and bite them the hext time they put their hand on the chain. [...]

Well, that's always a possibility as they have to get closer and closer to the dog to shorten its chain. But who knows? If the dog by now is probably their bitch already....

[x6ftundx]

I guess I am confused about this... do you think brands will go out instead of just charging more? I don't mind paying a buck or two more for my favorite brands, I just don't want them to go like my Mixture 965

[plexiprs]

Originally Posted by Plazma

Wow, I guess as a non-conservative anti-capitalist I'll stay out of this thread.

Just a reminder, you may have enough for yourself, remember that when there's a collapse money will likely be useless so you should also store some extra tobacco for bartering purposes after the death of the capitalist system and the rebirth of bartering.

Yep, I'm figuring the 64 pounds should be augmented by about 20%-30%. That way you nicotine freaks can be bartering for a smoke and giving up your bullets, gold, women, etc. ... Gotta love that C A P I T A L I S M !!