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Making horrible sounds with my guitar

This is a discussion on Making horrible sounds with my guitar within the General Pipe Forum forums, part of the Pipe Smokers Forums category; Originally Posted by MarkC I tried the guitar back in the seventies. In fact, some credit me with singlehandedly creating ...

  
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    Nee "Tashaz" Mante's Avatar


     

    Re: Making horrible sounds with my guitar

    Quote Originally Posted by MarkC View Post
    I tried the guitar back in the seventies. In fact, some credit me with singlehandedly creating death metal. Unfortunately, I was trying to play Cat Stevens...
    I am about to undertake a similar journey with a lap steel if it ever arrives! I must say though that there is no real hurry to see just how well I CAN'T play it.
    Refuses to remain the Droid they were all looking for.

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    Re: Making horrible sounds with my guitar

    Quote Originally Posted by freestoke View Post
    Are you learning from videos, a book, a friend? Trying to dig it out of the sound hole by yourself is extremely difficult. Can you read music or are you working with tabs? And what sort of music are you trying to play -- folk, blues, jazz, classical...? And are you playing with a pick or finger style?

    I'm really just trying to help you along by long distance, Benjamin. I have no students now (by choice), but I have been quite successful with my guitar students over the years. I'm not just firing from the hip. One of the nice things about taking lessons from me is that you're allowed to smoke!

    Could I ask what kind of guitar that is?
    im technically taking a class but it's more of a "sink or swim on your own" thing. Im trying to learn classical guitar playing classical songs, one of the most beautiful things i have ever heard was Schubert's "Serenade" with a classical guitar. Sadly, i have never played a musical instrument before this class so im learning how to read and play at the same time. Needless to say... I'm making horrible sounds hahhahahah

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    Sot-weed Bohemian freestoke's Avatar


     

    Re: Making horrible sounds with my guitar

    Quote Originally Posted by pipinho View Post
    im technically taking a class but it's more of a "sink or swim on your own" thing. Im trying to learn classical guitar playing classical songs, one of the most beautiful things i have ever heard was Schubert's "Serenade" with a classical guitar. Sadly, i have never played a musical instrument before this class so im learning how to read and play at the same time. Needless to say... I'm making horrible sounds hahhahahah

    First, sign up at delcamp.us and post an intro in the introductions. Ask questions. Tell everybody hi for me. (I'm freestroke over there.) You can very quickly get access to the INCREDIBLE sheet music collection and the membership performances of practically anything you can name. Many of the members are world class. You'll learn a lot there.

    Second, I'd get a copy of Bill Kanengiser's Effortless Classical Guitar and Classical Guitar Mastery. Two of the very best CG videos out there. Trust me on this. (I think they're on youtube, divied up into ~5minute fragments.)

    Third, when you can rip this one off, tell 'em you'd never have been able to do it without my help.

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    Re: Making horrible sounds with my guitar

    What do you call someone who hangs around with musicians?
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    A drummer.
    "Never keep up with the Joneses. Drag them down to your level." - Quentin Crisp

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    Nee "Tashaz" Mante's Avatar


     

    Re: Making horrible sounds with my guitar

    Quote Originally Posted by steinr1 View Post
    What do you call someone who hangs around with musicians?
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    A drummer.
    Phil Collins might have something to say about that joke. LOL.
    Refuses to remain the Droid they were all looking for.

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    Re: Making horrible sounds with my guitar

    A man dies and finds himself at the Pearly Gates. Expecting to be let in immediately, he is surprised to find that he is given an exam paper to fill in. He duly completes this and is escorted to see St. Peter.

    St Peter tells the small group ready for his processing: "We've noticed that people get on better if they are surrounded by people of similar intellectual standing. The very bright don't irritate the... let's say "Hard of thinking" with their unintelligible chatter and vice versa. Hence the test." He calls the first person to him.

    "IQ of 187... Impressive. I'm sure you and Mr Einstein will get on splendidly."

    "Next!"

    "105... You'll fit in well with the Collegiate crew. Beer and darts every night; stimulating conversation."

    "Next!"

    "84... What kind of sticks do you use?"
    "Never keep up with the Joneses. Drag them down to your level." - Quentin Crisp

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    Re: Making horrible sounds with my guitar

    Quote Originally Posted by steinr1 View Post
    A drummer.
    Vegetarian -- that's an old Indian word meaning "lousy hunter". -- Andy Rooney

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    Re: Making horrible sounds with my guitar

    Quote Originally Posted by fiddlegrin View Post
    Hi Jim,
    I thought your joke was fantastic!
    I'll be here all week!

    Thanks for the encouragement! I pulled out the Kantari cedartop last night, found the 6th string tuned to D, so worked my way through Bach's Prelude to the Suite in D minor (BWV 1007). The first pass I was having trouble remembering the notes, second time through wasn't too awful, surprisingly. I should start playing the BWV 999 prelude every morning like I used to, to help smooth things out again.

    And every day is the key, Benjamin. I don't care if you only pick the thing up and tune it every day, put the guitar in your hands without missing a single sleep cycle. Playing 3 days a week is virtually futile, 4 slow, 5 better, 6 decent, and 7 best. It's not so much how long the practice sessions last as much as whether they happen at all. Playing 7 hours, one day a week will get you NOWHERE. Play one hour a day, 7 days a week, and you'll make very fast progress. Actually, even half an hour a day every day all week is better than 7 hours on over the weekend. And don't let reading music intimidate you. It looks a little confusing at first, but it makes perfect sense in short order -- especially if you look at it for a while every day as you pick out the tunes.
    Vegetarian -- that's an old Indian word meaning "lousy hunter". -- Andy Rooney

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    Evolving Lead Puffer Fish


     

    Re: Making horrible sounds with my guitar

    i really really suck at this. btw how do you use a metronome? if it's 4/4 what bpm do i set it at?

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    Re: Making horrible sounds with my guitar

    Okay, the lower number is the "beat unit", the upper number the number of beat units per measure. (A measure is also known as a bar, merely for the sake of confusion.) Setting the metronome to 60, there will be one tick per second, and with a time signature of 4/4 there will be 15 bars per minute, a time signature of 3/4 will be 20 measures/bars per minute, and at 2/4 be 30 bars per minute. Changing the number of beats per minute with the metronome speeds things up and slows things down. It's all pretty simple arithmetic, it just looks confusing because it's unfamiliar.

    If the value of a quarter note (a black circle with a bare stem) one beat unit/click on the metronome, then an eighth note (one tail on the stem) will take 1/2 a beat unit, a sixteenth note 1/4 a metronome click. Looking from the other end of the telescope, there are 4 sixteenth notes per beat, 2 eighth notes and one quarter note.
    Last edited by freestoke; 03-31-2013 at 06:03 PM.
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    Re: Making horrible sounds with my guitar

    Quote Originally Posted by pipinho View Post
    i really really suck at this. btw how do you use a metronome? if it's 4/4 what bpm do i set it at?
    Play everything at 120bpm!!!!
    (Hint: don't actually do that)

    The bpm is beats per minute. So basically it's how fast the song moves along. Some songs are meant to be faster, and some slower. Some sheet music actually has the recommended bpm up at the top.

    Don't be discouraged, it something that takes time to understand.

    Also everything freestoke is saying is pretty great advice.


    And Jim, the greatest bass player I have ever seen live is without a doubt, Flea of the Red Hot Chili Peppers. He takes electric bass to an incredible level. Especially live.

    Other major inspirations for me are Les Claypool, Geddy Lee, Jaco Pastorious, and Victor Wooten. I've never gotten to see any of them actually play live though.

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    Re: Making horrible sounds with my guitar

    I agree that Viktor Wooten is truly astonishing! There are so many great players on guitars of all sorts, that I sometimes think I'm one of only a handful of people on the planet who plays like crap!
    Vegetarian -- that's an old Indian word meaning "lousy hunter". -- Andy Rooney

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    Evolving Lead Puffer Fish RupturedDuck's Avatar


     

    Re: Making horrible sounds with my guitar

    Quote Originally Posted by freestoke View Post
    Okay, the lower number is the "beat unit", the upper number the number of beat units per measure. (A measure is also known as a bar, merely for the sake of confusion.) Setting the metronome to 60, there will be one tick per second, and with a time signature of 4/4 there will be 15 bars per minute, a time signature of 3/4 will be 20 measures/bars per minute, and at 2/4 be 30 bars per minute. Changing the number of beats per minute with the metronome speeds things up and slows things down. It's all pretty simple arithmetic, it just looks confusing because it's unfamiliar.

    If the value of a quarter note (a black circle with a bare stem) one beat unit/click on the metronome, then an eighth note (one tail on the stem) will take 1/2 a beat unit, a sixteenth note 1/4 a metronome click. Looking from the other end of the telescope, there are 4 sixteenth notes per beat, 2 eighth notes and one quarter note.
    One other thing that seems pretty obvious, but some people don't do: When learning/practicing a piece, feel free to play through the difficult sections repeatedly at half the recommended speed...slow that metronome down, slow down the entire piece in your mind to half the pace...and work through it. When you think you've got it at half pace (i.e. you've played it straight through with no mistakes 3 times), try it at 75% speed...get to the point you can play that phrase at 3/4 speed...then bring it up to full speed.

    Once you can play the phrase at full speed, try from the beginning of the piece...interestingly after playing the tricky part 10 times in a row, and being fairly comfortable about it, I still mess it up when I go back to it after playing something else...or coming back to it the second day. But the good news, is that it doesn't take as long to become comfortable again after you've gotten there the first time. And the third time, even more easy.

    RD

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    Evolving Lead Puffer Fish


     

    Re: Making horrible sounds with my guitar

    i head once that flea was a prodigy with the jazz trumpet before he starte playing bass.

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    Re: Making horrible sounds with my guitar

    Quote Originally Posted by RupturedDuck View Post
    One other thing that seems pretty obvious, but some people don't do: When learning/practicing a piece, feel free to play through the difficult sections repeatedly at half the recommended speed...slow that metronome down, slow down the entire piece in your mind to half the pace...and work through it.
    Some concert players never practice a piece up to speed, even when they've played it for years. I've heard the advice, "Ten times slow for every time at tempo," too. One of the problems with playing an instrument is that mistakes become habitual. And never try to learn a piece up to speed. If the sheet music says 120, put the metronome at 60 or lower in the early going. However, I would extend the metronome observations to say that many students refuse to use them and fail to make progress as quick as they otherwise might. The metronome isn't much fun at first, but like a pipe, it stops "biting" you eventually and becomes your best friend.
    Vegetarian -- that's an old Indian word meaning "lousy hunter". -- Andy Rooney

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