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Thoughts on Ghosting

This is a discussion on Thoughts on Ghosting within the General Pipe Forum forums, part of the Pipe Smokers Forums category; So I am a new pipe smoker and have been smoking a couple of MM cobs. Recentely I bought a ...

  
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    Full grown Puffer Fish


     

    Thoughts on Ghosting

    So I am a new pipe smoker and have been smoking a couple of MM cobs. Recentely I bought a couple of better pipes. Should I try to separate them by the type of tobacco I burn in them? Thanks Doug

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    Re: Thoughts on Ghosting

    I didn't dedicate pipes for years. I ran a rotation of 4-6 and smoked what I liked in them. When my collection began to grow (eventually to 10x that), I took the time to dedicate them to different varieties. It's a matter of preference, but at the end of the day I would smoke an aro in on of my Virginia pipes without thinking twice about it were it the pipe I happened to have in my pocket when someone handed me their tobacco pouch.

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    Re: Thoughts on Ghosting

    I've only been piping a little less then two year, but I would agree with Tobias. Maybe once you get a larger collection of pipe it makes sense. I will add, however, that you will most likely find that you prefer one pipe or another for a certain tobacco or type of tobacco. There are some tobaccos that I prefer a cob for, and some are better in a briar. At first, I tried all sorts of different combos of pipes and tobaccos, and I don't notice any long term ghosting. If you smoked 100 straight bowls of something with a strong flavor like latakia in a pipe, that's a different story.

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    Re: Thoughts on Ghosting

    I can't say that I do a lot of it, but some. I smoke Ennerdale and other Lakelands in my Szabo and only in the Szabo. Lakelands ghost a bit more hauntingly than other flavors. I don't smoke a lot of Latakia any more, but when I do, I just smoke it one of my workhorse cobs or briars, say the 4Dot or the or the "Canadian" Canadian. Most of my aromatic smoking is confined to cobs, but more as a matter of circumstance, since I smoke cobs on the road and put a little aromatic in the pouch along with real tobacco for the benefit of the crowd. I put Three Blind Moose in the Dart Mix, for example, and the cob is what I smoke at the oche. I can't say I do much segregation at all with Virginias and burleys, though.
    Vegetarian -- that's an old Indian word meaning "lousy hunter". -- Andy Rooney

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    Re: Thoughts on Ghosting

    I dedicate more than most I suppose:

    I only smoke Virginia's in certain pipes...But I would smoke lightly topped VA's like a Navy Flake, Virginia Woods, or something with a little condiment tobacco a la VAPER in these pipes as well. I find that the light rum toppings and perique smoke out within a couple bowls of pure VA or burley, so no harm no foul there.

    I only smoke Latakia blends in certain pipes. This being Balkan or English blends predominately. I have found Latakia to ghost heavily.

    I keep a pipe for light Oriental blends.

    I have a cob for Lakelands and all I smoke is Lakelands in it. Lakelands will ghost anything. You don't even have to smoke them. I know a guy who loaded Ennerdale into one of his pipes but never lit it. Dumped it all out. The pipe tasted like lavender for the next 10 bowls still.

    The only tobacco I will smoke in any of the pipes above is burley. I cannot detect a burley ghost in anything and as I understand it, burley actually helps smoke out ghosts quickest. If I feel like having a VA with a touch of Latakia, I will smoke a straight VA in one of my English pipes, but never an English in my VA pipes.

    Just how I do it!
    It's been nice, while it lasted.

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    Re: Thoughts on Ghosting

    When I first started getting serious about the pipe (instead of it being an occasional excursion outside of cigars), I got the impression that dedicating pipes was the conventional wisdom. In time I have come to see that the situation is much more fluid.

    What not to do is pre-emptively dedicate a pipe to some type of blend. The blend and the pipe may not click, and you'll think maybe you just don't care much for that tobacco. But it could be the pipe's fault. For any given tobacco, rotate it through a lot of pipes, until the chemistry sizzles. Sometimes a certain pipe and a certain tobacco make beautiful music together, and that's when you should dedicate it.

    Some pipes are good generalists, and some are good specialists, and as you develop your relationship with them, those things become more clear. Since briar pipes require a day or two of rest, that's where cobs are handy. If you really need to smoke something for which a single briar was dedicated, your trusty cob will sub for it.

    As for ghosts, a little reaming, a little salt/alcohol treatment, and a few bowls of burley will generally exorcise it.

    For the most part I've become less finicky about which pipe gets which tobacco, because I am waiting for those "clicks" to happen. Also I smoke a lot of burley, and that reduces the ghosting issues. I do have a pipe that's used for my Latakia-heavy blends, even though it's still not perfect, because I've got a bunch of estate pipes to restore and maybe one of these future pipes will become my special Lat pipe.

    One other thing: when buying "dirty" estate pipes, you'll detect the ghost of whatever it was used for most. Consider the possibility that the previous owner already found the perfect tobacco for that pipe, and maybe you should (after cleaning it) try that kind too. My Peterson had a distinct Deer Tongue ghost. I tried a DT blend in it (4noggins Mojo) and found it was a good match, but I don't smoke enough DT tobacco to justify dedicating my only Peterson. I will smoke Mojo in it, but also whatever else I want, and keep it a generalist for now.
    "Quite simply, my dear, tobacco is the greatest pleasure that we have ever discovered... I know of no other miracle like it in nature." -- Bela Lugosi, 1939

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    Re: Thoughts on Ghosting

    Thanks for the advice. My collection of pipes should number 6 next week and I don't want to mess one up. I may just keep using my cobbs for new tobaccos then try them in a briar if I like them.

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    Re: Thoughts on Ghosting

    Quote Originally Posted by swamper View Post
    Thanks for the advice. My collection of pipes should number 6 next week and I don't want to mess one up. I may just keep using my cobbs for new tobaccos then try them in a briar if I like them.
    SOP.
    Vegetarian -- that's an old Indian word meaning "lousy hunter". -- Andy Rooney

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    Re: Thoughts on Ghosting

    Quote Originally Posted by Branzig View Post
    Lakelands will ghost anything. You don't even have to smoke them. I know a guy who loaded Ennerdale into one of his pipes but never lit it. Dumped it all out. The pipe tasted like lavender for the next 10 bowls still.
    Yes, the furniture, your clothing, your pets...and neither the opened original can nor a baggie can contain the miasma. Although mason jars will generally suffice, there is always the danger of breakage, so best to employ airtight bio-waste containers.
    Vegetarian -- that's an old Indian word meaning "lousy hunter". -- Andy Rooney

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    Re: Thoughts on Ghosting

    Quote Originally Posted by freestoke View Post
    Yes, the furniture, your clothing, your pets...and neither the opened original can nor a baggie can contain the miasma. Although mason jars will generally suffice, there is always the danger of breakage, so best to employ airtight bio-waste containers.
    I keep them locked away in a mason jar.

    I also keep my Cob that I have smoked them in far away from my other pipes. Just to be safe!
    It's been nice, while it lasted.

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    My pipes won't survive-EZ NeverBend's Avatar


     

    Re: Thoughts on Ghosting

    Quote Originally Posted by freestoke View Post
    ...so best to employ airtight bio-waste containers.
    That's not how it's shipped?

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    My pipes won't survive-EZ NeverBend's Avatar


     

    Re: Thoughts on Ghosting

    Quote Originally Posted by cpmcdill View Post
    When I first started getting serious about the pipe (instead of it being an occasional excursion outside of cigars), I got the impression that dedicating pipes was the conventional wisdom. In time I have come to see that the situation is much more fluid.

    What not to do is pre-emptively dedicate a pipe to some type of blend. The blend and the pipe may not click, and you'll think maybe you just don't care much for that tobacco. But it could be the pipe's fault. For any given tobacco, rotate it through a lot of pipes, until the chemistry sizzles. Sometimes a certain pipe and a certain tobacco make beautiful music together, and that's when you should dedicate it.

    Some pipes are good generalists, and some are good specialists, and as you develop your relationship with them, those things become more clear. Since briar pipes require a day or two of rest, that's where cobs are handy. If you really need to smoke something for which a single briar was dedicated, your trusty cob will sub for it.

    As for ghosts, a little reaming, a little salt/alcohol treatment, and a few bowls of burley will generally exorcise it.

    For the most part I've become less finicky about which pipe gets which tobacco, because I am waiting for those "clicks" to happen. Also I smoke a lot of burley, and that reduces the ghosting issues. I do have a pipe that's used for my Latakia-heavy blends, even though it's still not perfect, because I've got a bunch of estate pipes to restore and maybe one of these future pipes will become my special Lat pipe.

    One other thing: when buying "dirty" estate pipes, you'll detect the ghost of whatever it was used for most. Consider the possibility that the previous owner already found the perfect tobacco for that pipe, and maybe you should (after cleaning it) try that kind too. My Peterson had a distinct Deer Tongue ghost. I tried a DT blend in it (4noggins Mojo) and found it was a good match, but I don't smoke enough DT tobacco to justify dedicating my only Peterson. I will smoke Mojo in it, but also whatever else I want, and keep it a generalist for now.
    Hi Cpmcdill,

    This is a great post and should be in a sticky forum for all smokers. Beautifully written, clear and concise. Kudos.

    The only point that wasn't clear is when you speak of smoking burley. I took you to mean lightly cased burley tobaccos (like Carter Hall, Prince Albert, etc.)?

    Well done.

    Pete

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    Re: Thoughts on Ghosting

    Quote Originally Posted by NeverBend View Post
    Hi Cpmcdill,

    This is a great post and should be in a sticky forum for all smokers. Beautifully written, clear and concise. Kudos.

    The only point that wasn't clear is when you speak of smoking burley. I took you to mean lightly cased burley tobaccos (like Carter Hall, Prince Albert, etc.)?

    Well done.

    Pete
    Thanks for the kind words. I did indeed mean the lightly cased burleys like Carter Hall, PA, Sir Walter, Granger, and others of that ilk.
    "Quite simply, my dear, tobacco is the greatest pleasure that we have ever discovered... I know of no other miracle like it in nature." -- Bela Lugosi, 1939

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    Re: Thoughts on Ghosting

    Quote Originally Posted by NeverBend View Post
    That's not how it's shipped?
    Hazardous material release alarm. warnings should come with each order. My cans were recklessly placed in a thin plastic bag with a knot tied at the top. Clearly insufficient.
    Vegetarian -- that's an old Indian word meaning "lousy hunter". -- Andy Rooney

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