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We Know How To Stop School Shootings

This is a discussion on We Know How To Stop School Shootings within the Guns and Knives forums, part of the Everything But Cigars category; Perhaps some of you have heard about the Mother Jones magazine article going around where they claim no mass murders ...

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    The Karate Squid Aninjaforallseasons's Avatar


    We Know How To Stop School Shootings

    Perhaps some of you have heard about the Mother Jones magazine article going around where they claim no mass murders were stopped by civilians carrying weapons. Here is part of the response from Ann Coulter, who I consider crazy, (or a "brainless twib" as on of my friends calls her), but -like a monkeys at a typewriter- is bound to write something lucid eventually. I think this is it.

    Partial text:
    "In a nonsense "study" going around the Internet right now, Mother Jones magazine claims to have produced its own study of all public shootings in the last 30 years and concludes: "In not a single case was the killing stopped by a civilian using a gun."

    This will come as a shock to people who know something about the subject.

    The magazine reaches its conclusion by simply excluding all cases where an armed civilian stopped the shooter: They looked only at public shootings where four or more people were killed, i.e., the ones where the shooter wasn't stopped.

    If we care about reducing the number of people killed in mass shootings, shouldn't we pay particular attention to the cases where the aspiring mass murderer was prevented from getting off more than a couple rounds?

    It would be like testing the effectiveness of weed killers, but refusing to consider any cases where the weeds died.

    In addition to the Portland mall case, here are a few more examples excluded by the Mother Jones' methodology:

    -- Mayan Palace Theater, San Antonio, Texas, this week: Jesus Manuel Garcia shoots at a movie theater, a police car and bystanders from the nearby China Garden restaurant; as he enters the movie theater, guns blazing, an armed off-duty cop shoots Garcia four times, stopping the attack. Total dead: Zero.

    -- Winnemucca, Nev., 2008: Ernesto Villagomez opens fire in a crowded restaurant; concealed carry permit-holder shoots him dead. Total dead: Two. (I'm excluding the shooters' deaths in these examples.)

    -- Appalachian School of Law, 2002: Crazed immigrant shoots the dean and a professor, then begins shooting students; as he goes for more ammunition, two armed students point their guns at him, allowing a third to tackle him. Total dead: Three.

    -- Santee, Calif., 2001: Student begins shooting his classmates -- as well as the "trained campus supervisor"; an off-duty cop who happened to be bringing his daughter to school that day points his gun at the shooter, holding him until more police arrive. Total dead: Two.

    -- Pearl High School, Mississippi, 1997: After shooting several people at his high school, student heads for the junior high school; assistant principal Joel Myrick retrieves a .45 pistol from his car and points it at the gunman's head, ending the murder spree. Total dead: Two.

    -- Edinboro, Pa., 1998: A student shoots up a junior high school dance being held at a restaurant; restaurant owner pulls out his shotgun and stops the gunman. Total dead: One.

    By contrast, the shootings in gun-free zones invariably result in far higher casualty figures -- Sikh temple, Oak Creek, Wis. (six dead); Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Va. (32 dead); Columbine High School, Columbine, Colo. (12 dead); Amish school, Lancaster County, Pa. (five little girls killed); public school, Craighead County, Ark. (five killed, including four little girls).

    All these took place in gun-free zones, resulting in lots of people getting killed -- and thereby warranting inclusion in the Mother Jones study.

    If what we care about is saving the lives of innocent human beings by reducing the number of mass public shootings and the deaths they cause, only one policy has ever been shown to work: concealed-carry laws. On the other hand, if what we care about is self-indulgent grandstanding, and to hell with dozens of innocent children being murdered in cold blood, try the other policies."

    Here's a link to the rest of the article:
    We Know How to Stop School Shootings - Ann Coulter - [page]
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    Disillusioned Freethinker AStateJB's Avatar


    Re: We Know How To Stop School Shootings

    It's more effective to leave out the cold hard facts that are in direct contradiction to your pompous, self-indulgent propaganda... Just the way it is. Sadly our society has come to accept that. Our society has gotten to the point of refusing to accept or acknowledge personal responsibility or accountability.
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    THE MAN WHO LOVES TWANG! TonyBrooklyn's Avatar


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    I figure it like this evil will always co exist besides Good! So best to be prepared when Evil strikes!

    And this is a step in the right direction!

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    Evolving Lead Puffer Fish Lrbergin's Avatar


    Re: We Know How To Stop School Shootings

    Internat Cafe Shooting - Armed Response - YouTube

    Who knows what would have happened in this video without an armed citizen.

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    Re: We Know How To Stop School Shootings

    Excellent information. Thank you for posting it!
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    Chicken of the Sea Bondo 440's Avatar


    Re: We Know How To Stop School Shootings

    Yep. Fuzzy Math. And people eat it up without question. As long as they hear what they want to hear.

    Here's some stories you'll never hear. Accounts of citizens stopping crime dead in their tracks with their own weapons.

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    Last edited by Bondo 440; 12-21-2012 at 09:04 PM.
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    Chicken of the Sea Bondo 440's Avatar


    Re: We Know How To Stop School Shootings

    In just a quick web search I came across numerous sites quoting surveys that indicate US citizens use guns to prevent, abort or deter attacks upwards of two million times a year.

    A lot of time nobody is injured. Grandma fires a round at the wall and the hoods take flight. But similar to Ninja's example, Anti-gun lobby will exclude that data.
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    Maturing Puffer Fish


    Re: We Know How To Stop School Shootings

    Yup. You can't guarantee protection for everyone, but you can prepare yourself as well as you can for potential attacks. Turns out that has collateral benefits as well.

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