Holt's Catalog- Copy

[Rocky Rulz]

Originally Posted by Rocky Rulz

Just one more bad reason not to order from thompson's. Let them secure all the dogturds they can find, and let the premium stuff like Padilla to the people who truly appreciate it! DUMBASSES!

Sorry HOLTS!

[jitzy]

ok so I just downloaded the fathers day catalog and it dosen't say alot of what your first post says I think someone is messing with you unless you saw the catalog than in that case they must be changing what they put out

[cybervee-cl]

Originally Posted by JonDot

I have never ordered from Holt's.If this is the way they conduct business,I never will.

So who orders from Holts anyway?

oflmao:

[Ceedee]

Wow. That is simply incredible. It's hard to imagine in such a time as ours, that this type of crap is still happening. I mean, did they not realize that it's about as easy as going to read this forum to find out that their marketing bullcrap is just that, bullcrap? I am really astonished that they would have the nerve to stab Padilla in the back like that when all of us are watching.

I can say this, I will not be ordering anything from Holt's EVER again. Period.

CD

[stig-cl]

They'll dump their inventory of Padilla's at low prices (great for us), and when they realize Padilla is still around, they'll have to order a lot more from you to resupply (great for you). Holt's will be embarrassed, and we'll all be happy!

[AragornElessar86-cl]

Originally Posted by jitzy

ok so I just downloaded the fathers day catalog and it dosen't say alot of what your first post says I think someone is messing with you unless you saw the catalog than in that case they must be changing what they put out

Would you be willing to post a photo of the actual catalog page? I've always liked Holt's, so I'd be happy to see their rep reclaimed a bit, otherwise I'm gonna have to stop ordering there. That's not the way to run business. I hope this is all a misunderstanding.

[Ceedee]

Originally Posted by jitzy

ok so I just downloaded the fathers day catalog and it dosen't say alot of what your first post says I think someone is messing with you unless you saw the catalog than in that case they must be changing what they put out

Jitz, I think that Ernesto is speaking directly about the printed catalog. Print catalogs have longer turn-around times and I think he means that the print catalog is going out with the language he quoted. I think that they decided to tone things down a bit with their online version, once people gave them enough poor responses, including Padilla cigars and Ernesto specifically. Still no excuse, and as Dion pointed out, I believe they knew exactly what they were doing - the only part they didn't figure on was the poor response to their fallacious statement.

CD

[Ernesto]

Link below -to both old version and new version of Holt's catalog scroll down.

http://www.cigarpass.com/forums/inde...ic=45474&st=80

[CGARMAN23]

Ernesto I can't wait for the new cigars to come out. I wish you continued success and as for Holt's it shows how much they know.

[Skipper-cl]

Originally Posted by Ernesto

THE COPY BELOW IS FROM THE UP-COMING HOLT'S FATHER'S DAY- CIGAR CATALOG

... We have nothing against Padilla personally. In fact, we consider him to be a friend of ours. We simply do not want to get caught sitting on a ton of discontinued, sedentary, totally immobile inventory.

Therefore, we're cutting prices on all Padilla products bigtime! We're slashing prices on Padilla left and right, and blowing this stuff out from not 'till it's gone! Join in on the fun that is "Padilla Madness" and procure yourself some Padilla cigars today. Hey Ernie P., we've got one word for you and one word only: Buh-Bye.

Am I the only one who sees a contradiction here?

By the way, a few weeks ago I had the pleasure or meeting Ernesto P and spend the day, more or less, with him & Jose Oliva at the CI Cigar Fest. I can tell you that Ernesto and Jose' were very close. In fact Padilla spent more time at the Oliva booth then at his own!

[canney]

Originally Posted by Ceedee

Jitz, I think that Ernesto is speaking directly about the printed catalog. Print catalogs have longer turn-around times and I think he means that the print catalog is going out with the language he quoted. I think that they decided to tone things down a bit with their online version, once people gave them enough poor responses, including Padilla cigars and Ernesto specifically. Still no excuse, and as Dion pointed out, I believe they knew exactly what they were doing - the only part they didn't figure on was the poor response to their fallacious statement.

CD

Chris
You are correct
I received my Holts catalog today and they do dog Ernesto kinda badly.

[Shelby07]

I have bought quite a bit from Holts. They usually have some pretty good smokes and samplers. This is gonna make me think.

We'll see how it rolls out.

Ernesto, Just a quick note to you. Your cigars are among my favorites. I enjoy them quite often and I am pleased to hear that I will be able to continue doing so. Keep up the good work!

[jitzy]

Ernesto I just got the print catalog at home and am floored by what they said its simply uncalled for and they owe you a public apology for that one that is bad for both you and them. I told my wife to read the catalog and let me know how she felt and she said she would buy any Padillia he sounds like someone I wouldn't want to do business with. This is a very bad thing for your company thats trying to grow he just kicked you back years with one catalog.

[svb]

Originally Posted by Ernesto

THE COPY BELOW IS FROM THE UP-COMING HOLT'S FATHER'S DAY- CIGAR CATALOG

At one point in time, Ernesto Padilla was looked upon as a rising star in the cigar world. He was young and hungry, and he had a couple of lights-out, cutting edge cigars being manufactured by another rising star: Pepin Garcia. He also had a nice cigar being made in the Oliva factory. He received glowing ratings, lots of publicity, and all seemed to be going well for him. That was a couple years ago. Nowadays, the tide has taken an unfortunate turn for Padilla. Neither Pepin nor Oliva are making cigars for him anymore. We think this means one thing and one thing only: Padilla is on his way out... We have nothing against Padilla personally. In fact, we consider him to be a friend of ours. We simply do not want to get caught sitting on a ton of discontinued, sedentary, totally immobile inventory.

Therefore, we're cutting prices on all Padilla products bigtime! We're slashing prices on Padilla left and right, and blowing this stuff out from not 'till it's gone! Join in on the fun that is "Padilla Madness" and procure yourself some Padilla cigars today. Hey Ernie P., we've got one word for you and one word only: Buh-Bye.



From Padilla Cigars:
Cigar-Live Members,

I was alerted to the recent Holt's catalog and wanted to reply.

First, I want to thank everyone for their input on this thread.
Itís nice to see that most people can see beyond whatís written in a
cigar catalog. It is unfortunate that in their attempt to close out our
product that they had to write such incorrect and inflammatory copy.
While everyone is entitled to their opinions, there are many factual
inaccuracies in that copy that I would address.

As you all know, Pepin, Ashton and Holtís have become very close in
recent months. Because of their growing relationship, Padilla Cigars
knew that eventually we would have difficulty securing the cigars we
needed to grow as a company. We also knew that in order for us to take
the next step as a cigar company, we would have to manufacturer our own
cigars. That is why Pepin and Padilla mutually agreed to part ways.
This split has given us the opportunity to build our own factory so we
can better control both our blends and our inventory. Leaving the
Pepin factory was difficult, but as you will see, we believe this move
will result in better blends and better cigars. And you have my promise
that Padilla's existing blends will retain both the quality and the
flavor you have come to expect from us.

In the coming months, once the factory is complete, you will see
Padilla Cigars in the marketplace stronger than ever. We will have more
inventory than ever and will continue to create the best boutique blends
on the market. Despite what Holt's might think, we are definitely
NOT on our way out.

Also incorrect is their description of our relationship with Oliva
Cigars. I continue to have a wonderful and productive relationship with
Jose Oliva and his family continues to have an impact on Padilla
Cigars. The Habano blend is still the product of our relationship with the
family.

We are working with the Oliva family to formally address this issue
with Holt's. We don't know how this will resolve itself, but as was
stated in this thread earlier, take everything you read with a grain of
salt.

The reports of our demise are greatly exaggerated.

Ernesto Padilla
Padilla cigars

First of all, I am sorry that Holt's handled the situation so publicly, regardless of the TRUE reason for it.

But tell us, is there any truth to the multiple rumors from multiple sources that you aren't paying your bills? Even if it is true, I wouldn't expect a truthful answer written online as evidence for all to see. I hope that the rumors are not true, but I have heard them from multiple, seperate sources, as I, too, am in the business. Although I'm a small timer not even worthy of big-time respect, I do hear "inside" information quite regularly.

Clarification would be nice. Feel free to PM me if you don't wish to disclose here, altough I am just a peon and it really isn't any of my business. However, I would not wish to support someone who doesn't pay their bills while making money off the items that are unpaid for.

For the record, I have nothing against you and I like your cigars (except the constantly plugged lanceros - hopefully fixed in your new factory). I would just like to clear up the rumors that have been running rampant for a little bit of time now.

Thanks.

[Stogie]

I find it hard to believe most rumors like that. I personally have to say that Ernesto squared things with me right away for a sponsorship here and I feel that those are just rumors. People hate when others are sucessfull and sometimes those people start rumors just for that. Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see.