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The EVP · 05-20-2008, 11:25 PM

Looks like Holt's just lost themselves a customer. It's not so much dropping a line of cigar that bothers me...business is business and it happens sometimes. However, there is a tasteful way to go about explaining the change. Guess Holt's hasn't figured that out yet....

canney · 05-21-2008, 02:33 AM

I think there is a lot more to this than we know.
For Holts to bring out and grill 1 guy,
just seems kinda weird

tx_tuff · 05-21-2008, 04:59 PM

Ernesto I love your cigars and the 32 is in fact one of my fav cigars right now. I have posted here from the very the first thread posted and you and Pepin spliting ways that I thought it was a good thing and shows how you are starting to grow. I have not ever bought from Holts, mainly because I try to buy all my cigars from B&Ms to support them even if the costs are a little higher. But I know for sure now that I will not buy anything from them, even if they where selling yours cigars for a dollar each I will not buy them. I look forward to trying any new blends that you come out with and am also glad that other blends are staying the same. Even though I know you don't need it here is wishing you luck on your new factory and I am proud that you are a sponser here on CigarLive!

tx_tuff · 05-21-2008, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SVB

First of all, I am sorry that Holt's handled the situation so publicly, regardless of the TRUE reason for it.

But tell us, is there any truth to the multiple rumors from multiple sources that you aren't paying your bills? Even if it is true, I wouldn't expect a truthful answer written online as evidence for all to see. I hope that the rumors are not true, but I have heard them from multiple, seperate sources, as I, too, am in the business. Although I'm a small timer not even worthy of big-time respect, I do hear "inside" information quite regularly.

Clarification would be nice. Feel free to PM me if you don't wish to disclose here, altough I am just a peon and it really isn't any of my business. However, I would not wish to support someone who doesn't pay their bills while making money off the items that are unpaid for.

For the record, I have nothing against you and I like your cigars (except the constantly plugged lanceros - hopefully fixed in your new factory). I would just like to clear up the rumors that have been running rampant for a little bit of time now.

Thanks.

Wow I am shocked and embarrased that you would ask him this right out in the open than say he can answer you in a PM because he may not want to disclose this here. You coments are very rude and coming from somebody that says he is in the business it would seem that you would not bring this kind of thing out in the open like this.

aljrka · 05-21-2008, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tx_tuff

Wow I am shocked and embarrased that you would ask him this right out in the open than say he can answer you in a PM because he may not want to disclose this here. You coments are very rude and coming from somebody that says he is in the business it would seem that you would not bring this kind of thing out in the open like this.

I completely agree with you but on the contrary all rumors must be squashed between what we as consumers know as second hand knowledge and what actually has/is happening. Although I DO NOT feel that CL is the place to ask these type of questions!!!!!!!!

terrasco-cl · 05-21-2008, 06:29 PM

Padilla makes some great cigars and I look forward to them establishing their own factory.

svb · 05-21-2008, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by aljrka

I completely agree with you but on the contrary all rumors must be squashed between what we as consumers know as second hand knowledge and what actually has/is happening. Although I DO NOT feel that CL is the place to ask these type of questions!!!!!!!!

I don't feel I was rude at all. I am a long-time customer of Holt's and they wouldn't risk their entire good name reputation on a whim. Surely there is more to the story than we know/realize. One of the prominent rumors is the one I mentioned.

Rather than spread it as hearsay, I ask it directly and publicly, so Ernesto can address it publicly. As he is a sponsor of this site, I think we ALL have the right to know and what better opportunity to have the question asked publicly and answered publicly.

Would you follow or support someone blindly??? Certainly not I.

svb · 05-21-2008, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tx_tuff

Wow I am shocked and embarrased that you would ask him this right out in the open than say he can answer you in a PM because he may not want to disclose this here. You coments are very rude and coming from somebody that says he is in the business it would seem that you would not bring this kind of thing out in the open like this.

Why wouldn't I want customers and loyal supporters to know if it is the truth? I ask it publicly so he can address it publicly. I am not embarrassed, and if they are truly bad, false rumors, he should have no problem answering it publicly, as I am not the only one who has heard these rumors.

I asked the question like a man, rather than spreading the rumor as hearsay, I asked him directly, so that he can let everyone know the facts.

I am not going to walk on eggshells just because he is a sponsor of this site. It is a legitimate question that needs answering. I am sorry if that bothers some of you, but if the rumors are false, then there shouldn't even be an issue...Correct?

chip19 · 05-21-2008, 07:21 PM

Well, what ever the case we heard it from the horses mouth that it wasn't true. Hard to believe Holts would do something like that.

boomerd35 · 05-21-2008, 07:43 PM

Personally, I wouldn't answer those kinds of questions publicly if I were Padilla. Whose business is it how he pays his bills except his and his vendors'? Now if he's in financial trouble, why would he want to answer questions about that, either? If we're so concerned with the manufacturers' payment habits, let's get the cigar reviewers to start putting a credit score next to each cigar's rating. And if we're going to make Padilla answer these questions, let's ask all the boutique manufacturers to open their books so we can make sure they are all solvent too. Just my opinion.

BTW- even if Padilla stiffed Holts on some product or something, it just looks classless to post what they did in the catalog, and they'll see it will backfire on them.

svb · 05-21-2008, 08:37 PM

I am not saying that at all...If he made money off of cigars that he didn't pay for, don't you think that is wrong?

I am not saying that this is the case, just what the rumors are saying...

As a note, Holt's couldn't get stiffed by Padilla, as they don't manufacture cigars for him...But their close friend, Pepin, could have, and they have the vehicle to call him out. Just a thought...

As I said earlier, I like Padilla's cigars and have nothing against him. I think we as customers have a right know if we are supporting a bad businessman or not.

Yesenia-cl · 05-23-2008, 03:46 AM

Real classy, Holt's! They just lost a customer. Bravo to Ernesto for handling the situation so graciously.

Wiseash-cl · 05-23-2008, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SVB

I am not saying that at all...If he made money off of cigars that he didn't pay for, don't you think that is wrong?

I am not saying that this is the case, just what the rumors are saying...

As a note, Holt's couldn't get stiffed by Padilla, as they don't manufacture cigars for him...But their close friend, Pepin, could have, and they have the vehicle to call him out. Just a thought...

As I said earlier, I like Padilla's cigars and have nothing against him. I think we as customers have a right know if we are supporting a bad businessman or not.

It's easy to see from your first post why you describe yourself, aptly I might add, as "a peon." Your subsequent posts confirm it. Padilla's business is just that, his business. He's not obligated to you or anyone else to address rumors "a peon" chose to irresponsibly throw out. If you think he's "a bad businessman" then don't patronize his company, plain and simple. If you're not a shareholder in his company, how he conducts business is really none of your concern.

It was extremely bad form by Holt's. Period. And Sathya's apology stinks.

I already enjoy his cigars (the 32 gets most of the love on here, but I'm partial to the 48 myself), but Mr. Padilla has earned added respect by taking the high road on this one.

jitzy · 05-23-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Wiseash

It's easy to see from your first post why you describe yourself, aptly I might add, as "a peon." Your subsequent posts confirm it. Padilla's business is just that, his business. He's not obligated to you or anyone else to address rumors "a peon" chose to irresponsibly throw out. If you think he's "a bad businessman" then don't patronize his company, plain and simple. If you're not a shareholder in his company, how he conducts business is really none of your concern.

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It was extremely bad form by Holt's. Period. And Sathya's apology stinks.

I already enjoy his cigars (the 32 gets most of the love on here, but I'm partial to the 48 myself), but Mr. Padilla has earned added respect by taking the high road on this one.

where I do agree with your point of its his business the rest of your post is completely out of line and completely un-called for