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mitro-cl · 05-23-2008, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Wiseash

If you're not a shareholder in his company, how he conducts business is really none of your concern.

It IS my concern. Its very easy to come out and say that a rumor is completely false. If ANY company is not acting in a way that is fair to all parties involved, I tend not to buy from that company. I'm not accusing Padilla of anything and I'm completely disgusted by Holts (and the part that Pepin plays in this), but I think the question is a fair one.

As for the rest of your ramblings, I think they are out of line.

Maduro PiPs · 05-23-2008, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jitzy

where I do agree with your point of its his business the rest of your post is completely out of line and completely un-called for

LOL!!!!

Maduro PiPs · 05-23-2008, 11:08 AM

I do not have any knowledge of what goes on behind closed doors, but on a personal level, I do enjoy Padilla Cigars and will continue to support Padilla. As Skip mentioned, the relationship with Ernesto and the Oliva Family seems very strong. We had the opportunity to meet and hang out with Ernesto for 2 days and he is a very down to earth, cool dude. I even asked him a few questions about his line and the new factory. He did not withhold any info and was happy to share.

I still have the new Padilla 68 Ernesto threw at me when I passed his booth at the Fest sporting my NUB shirt! I asked him what he was givin out....but in a fun way! LOL....We met the night before at Atlantic and we assisted Sam with bombing his Padilla booth with NUB stickers before the fest started. So as you can see, there is a tight relationship between the two families.

I just wish Ernesto all the best - very low class move by Holt's - I rarely gave them any business.....now that rarely will turn into zero.

svb · 05-23-2008, 11:09 AM

Edited out.

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Originally Posted by Wiseash

It was extremely bad form by Holt's. Period. And Sathya's apology stinks.

Agreed on the form part.

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Originally Posted by Wiseash

I...but Mr. Padilla has earned added respect by taking the high road on this one.

Agreed. I also have added respect for him, and based on the feedback I have been getting, the "rumors" are false (though I have heard neither from the horse's mouth).

However, if there was a common legitimate rumor out there about me spreading around multiple cigar (or other) circles that I didn't know about (not the "I hear he has two wives" or "I heard his d*ck is tiny" multiple bullcrap rumors), I would like to have someone call me on it publicly, so that I could squash a particular rumor publicly, especially if it were 1 common rumor held by many groups. That way, there would be written evidence of my squashing the rumor, not just someone's hearsay. But apparently that's just me.

svb · 05-23-2008, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Wiseash

If you're not a shareholder in his company, how he conducts business is really none of your concern.

Based on this logic, I guess that companies who are rumored to directly/indirectly support terrorism are "really none of [my] concern", as long as I am not a shareholder, and I quit buying my 1 or 2 items from that multi-million dollar company (as if losing my 1 or 2 sales will make a difference or will even be noticed)

svb · 05-23-2008, 11:29 AM

Aww tekeeladude, I thought Wiseash's chicken rumor comments were funny!!! Truth is, I DO have feathers stuck in my zipper

Webmeister · 05-23-2008, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Maduro PiPs

I just wish Ernesto all the best - very low class move by Holt's - I rarely gave them any business.....now that rarely will turn into zero.

Couldn't have said it better myself Mario. Just had my last Miami Tuesday night, and I need more. I'll be buying them elsewhere thank you very much.

Keep on kicking out those delicious stogies Ernesto!

Stogie · 05-23-2008, 11:57 AM

Ok Guys this is getting close to that line that I personally find offensive. Tone it down or I will end it. I like open discussion but it is a bit like a broken record at this point. Our goal of the forum is not to give members a crack at the manufacturers and I will not let it happen. Everyone has made thier points so just find something else to talk about. I am not going to waste anymore time on this thread. I spent about 8 hours with Ernesto Padilla and I can honestly say he is a pleasure to be around. When we went to Domino park the old men were talking his ear off. Those men smoke $1 avg cigars but they all had the BOTL attitude. I will get the videos up for sure by this weekend so you guys can see the man he is. Rumors are BS.....good example is people make all kinds of rumors about this website and they are not further from the truth.

svb · 05-23-2008, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Stogie

Ok Guys this is getting close to that line that I personally find offensive. Tone it down or I will end it. I like open discussion but it is a bit like a broken record at this point. Our goal of the forum is not to give members a crack at the manufacturers and I will not let it happen. Everyone has made thier points so just find something else to talk about. I am not going to waste anymore time on this thread. I spent about 8 hours with Ernesto Padilla and I can honestly say he is a pleasure to be around. When we went to Domino park the old men were talking his ear off. Those men smoke $1 avg cigars but they all had the BOTL attitude. I will get the videos up for sure by this weekend so you guys can see the man he is. Rumors are BS.....good example is people make all kinds of rumors about this website and they are not further from the truth.

I trust your judgment and will consider as authority on the subject. Please excuse me if my comments were borderline, as that was never my original intent. Thanks for the site, as I thoroughly enjoy it (just not the maintenance part, when I think my work is conspiring against me by somehow blocking me from viewing it the last few days!!!)

Bullybreed · 05-23-2008, 12:45 PM

I could careless about any rumors or the horses mouth, all I care about is a good cigar and as long as there good im happy, when they start turning bad then ill bitch and ask WTF?

Wiseash-cl · 05-23-2008, 12:48 PM

SVD, the fact that your entire premise is based on something as nefarious as a "common legitimate rumor" was my issue. As a trained journalist, "common legitimate rumor" just makes me cringe, that's all. Rumors, by definition, have no legitimacy, common or otherwise. But I'm glad you saw the humor in my feather comment because that's all it was meant as, a gentle poke in the ribs. I'm perfectly willling to agree to disagree with you and the others who think Mr. Padilla owes anyone a public accounting of any rumor.

Stogie, sorry. I'm done.

Stogie · 05-23-2008, 01:05 PM

No problem, I believe that we are all big boys and nothing says we have to agree about everything. I think sometimes people tend to think that just because they are your friends you will get mad at them for a disagreement. I do not believe this. I often disagree with things with my best buddy but we are grown ups now and that is OK. To each is own and we all have our different views.

Fishhound-cl · 05-23-2008, 04:54 PM

Here is a copy of a E-mail I sent to Holts.

Dear Sir,

I'm sending this E-mail in regards to the low blow you took at Ernesto Padilla in the fathers day catalog. I have to say that I was shocked and disappointed to see the Holts company write something like this about Ernesto. Just to be clear I have supported your company in the past and recommended many other cigar smokers to your web site as well. You have always had good pricing, a amazing catalog, and fast good service. However your companies behavior in the last catalog was inexcusable.

I am a member of Stogie Chat, Cigar Live, Cigar Pass, and a few others as well. I'm sure you are aware of the opinion of your company after your latest catalog went out. Here is a link to one of the threads I am referring to. http://www.stogiechat.com/cigar-foru...392&forum_id=2

Sathya Levin's apology rings hollow in my ear, I feel it was only written in an effort to control the damage that the back cover of your catalog had done to the image of Holts amongst the large community of the many cigar boards. Which we all know are in the tens of thousands of members and just as many people who just read the boards. I don't speak for any of the boards or the many members that will be reading this when I post it. However I do speak for myself when I do say to you, if I don't see a printed retraction in your next catalog I will never purchase anything from your company again. I will not recommend you to any of my fellow BOTL who are looking for recommendations of online websites to buy cigars from.

In closing I hope you make a sincere effort to correct the wrong you have done to Ernesto. I would like to be able to purchase cigars from Holt's again in the future, but until this is resolved I just can't.