Holt's Catalog- Copy

[kenstogie-cl]

Originally Posted by boomerd35

Wow, Ken. We must have posted at the same time and were thinking about the same thing.

Jinx, you owe me a cigar.

[kenstogie-cl]

Originally Posted by sseagle

it smells of CYA syndrome...

Is that what that smell is?

[Lighthouse]

My guess is Holt's knew all along what they were doing. Copy like that simply does not "slip by" the copy editor's. That copy was wirtten by/and/or at least approved by management. If not, Holt's is completely rudderless and adrift in the marketplace with no direction at the top.

I would guess their response is more than a CYA. It's most likely a response to a letter from a Padilla attorney which laid out the fact that Holt's can be held liable for the negative impact/loss of business Padilla experienced.

Clearly there is some bad blood in the system. However, Ernesto took the high ground on this situation and I think he will be fine in the long run as his brand and product have been great. Holt's is the one with egg on thier face. JMHO

[baboruger]

I think Chuck is 100% on the mark with this one. There could be a lawsuit there very easily and the response is either a CYA or what was agreed upon.

I also agree that something like that could just not "slip by" There would be so many sets of eyes on the copy prior to it going out that no one noticed? Please.

This in my mind, all comes back to Holts and Ashton getting into bed with Pepin and Ernesto being the one push out. I think the Holts was just trying to thumb their nose a Padilla and say look at what happened we won out with Pepin, ha ha. Very childish if you ask me.

Originally Posted by Lighthouse

My guess is Holt's knew all along what they were doing. Copy like that simply does not "slip by" the copy editor's. That copy was wirtten by/and/or at least approved by management. If not, Holt's is completely rudderless and adrift in the marketplace with no direction at the top.

I would guess their response is more than a CYA. It's most likely a response to a letter from a Padilla attorney which laid out the fact that Holt's can be held liable for the negative impact/loss of business Padilla experienced.

Clearly there is some bad blood in the system. However, Ernesto took the high ground on this situation and I think he will be fine in the long run as his brand and product have been great. Holt's is the one with egg on thier face. JMHO

[tx_tuff]

I don't think it was a mistake. They thought it would be something they would get away with and probaly have done it before to other people. They just didn't expect use the cigar smokers to get pissed and say anything, they thought we would just be happy to get a good deal and buy the cigars!

I don't think Pepin has anything at all to do with it, and my gult feeling is if Padilla still wanted Pepin blending and making his cigars he would be. I think Padilla pulling away and doing his own thing is awesome and can't wait to give some new blends a try!

[baboruger]

I think there were some hard feelings there. Go back and review the post about Pepin selling his soul, and at the end there are some interesting quotes from Ernesto...I think they were all nice in public, but behind closed doors there were some issues, just going by those quotes.

Here is the link:
http://www.cigarlive.com/forum/showt...oul#post272654

Originally Posted by tx_tuff

I don't think it was a mistake. They thought it would be something they would get away with and probaly have done it before to other people. They just didn't expect use the cigar smokers to get pissed and say anything, they thought we would just be happy to get a good deal and buy the cigars!

I don't think Pepin has anything at all to do with it, and my gult feeling is if Padilla still wanted Pepin blending and making his cigars he would be. I think Padilla pulling away and doing his own thing is awesome and can't wait to give some new blends a try!

[Rah55]

It would have taken a mighty poor editor at Holt's to have missed that. It was lowbrow all the way and I don't beilieve it was a mistake. I don't believe they thought it was a mistake either until the negative feedback started coming in. I have never smoked many Padillas but there are some I have been curious about. I guess it's about time to try a few....from anyone but Holt's.

[Cigary]

Wow!!! This is a very interesting post and the talk about it after the fact is just as stimulating. I actually have been a customer of Holts for quite some time and to see how they handled this situation is very surprising to say the least. I will probably continue to be a customer as they have some very good pricing and hopefully the guy who let this episode get into their Cigar Mag is now looking for another job. It is unbecoming and very unprofessional to air things like that in print about a company that you have done business with and they did the right thing by issuing an apology.

I can't help but think this is a blessing in disguise for E. Padilla because now he can take up the challenge for his company and his product and make it better than it was before the story broke. I for one will purchase any new product of his just to see if they have risen to the occasion. As someone said before: I don't care what they say about me as long as they spell the name right,,,,any press is good press,,,etc. etc.