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Some Thoughts On Cigar Reviews And Describing Cigar Flavors

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    Evolving Lead Puffer Fish


    Some Thoughts On Cigar Reviews And Describing Cigar Flavors

    I’ve found that when I’m discussing cigar reviews and the flavor descriptions one of the first things to come up is the argument as to whether cigars actually have any flavors other than tobacco. Some think that tasting flavors other than tobacco in cigars is a load of crap and that those who claim they can are snobs, liars or delusional, or more likely all three.

    Over the years I’ve certainly been accused of all three. In defense I’d like to point out that I’ve read quite a few reviews on various forums from the no-flavor camp that contain descriptions like “great flavor”, “creamy”, “sweet”, “bitter”, “grassy”, “dirty”, etc. So while they might not be able to describe specific flavors, it would seem to me that there’s a lot of self-incriminating evidence that the no-flavor folks do taste something besides “just tobacco”.

    I do think that most of this controversy has been caused by what I call the “over-the-top” review. These reviews read like a sweeping romance novel combined with an exercise in Roget’s Thesaurus: “…nuances of fresh-mowed red heather lightly intertwined with deep Bavarian forest and 7 year old burnt Madagascar vanilla”. Stop it! Please! I really don’t know how various heathers taste, or most other ground cover for that matter. How about using something a bit less obtuse like grassy or vegetal? Like most people I’ve never been to Bavaria, and I doubt the author has either. I don’t even know where to get 7 year old Madagascar vanilla, and if I did I sure as hell wouldn’t burn it – it sounds expensive.

    I don’t think there’s any question that reviews like these are more an attempt to impress than communicate. I think the author has read too many “wine snob” reviews and has mistakenly concluded that this style shows good breeding and taste. I don’t think so. Personally, I like reviews that use descriptions I’m familiar with, and that’s what I try to use.

    To me, flavors divide into two different categories. For lack of any better terminology I call them “direct tastes” and “smell-tastes”. Now, before you think I’ve gone whack, let me explain.

    Direct tastes are flavors that we pretty much taste on a regular basis. Like coffee, cocoa or molasses. Most people are familiar with those flavors. Smell-tastes are flavors that remind us of things we don’t typically eat but are familiar odors – leather, cedar or grass. No, I’ve never eaten leather except to pull apart a leather know with my teeth, but I really know what leather smells like. And while I’ve tasted grass on occasion, I’m really more familiar with the smell of fresh mowed grass.

    Most of the time when I’m describing a flavor in a cigar, I’m drawing an analogy. I don’t really taste grass, I taste a “green” and vegetal flavor that reminds me of the way grass smells. And a sweet note can remind me of molasses or sugar or honey. But sometimes the flavor is so distinct that it really does taste like the description I’m using – Juan Lopez cigars really do have a heavy dark espresso flavor.

    Here are some of the flavors I use, hopefully others will add to the list and descriptions:

    Direct Tastes

    Black Pepper – a hot spicy note.
    Cardamom – a sweet spice used in apple pie, has a very aromatic, floral taste.
    Cinnamon – a taste similar to hot cinnamon candy, typical in cammies.
    Coffee – a taste like coffee, sometimes very strong (espresso) or bitter.
    Cocoa – a taste like hot cocoa or chocolate, if sweet I’ll tend to use chocolate.
    Cream – a light vanilla and cream note usually with a really oily texture to the smoke.
    Cumin – an earthy spice used in Mexican food, one of the base flavors of chili.
    Dark – denotes deep, heavy flavors as in dark chocolate or dark coffee, or dark tobacco.
    Fruity – a sweet fruity note, often like a port or cognac note.
    Herbal – tastes like a mixture of parsley, rosemary, basil, sage. A “green” note, but pleasing.
    Lemon oil – tastes like sweet lemon oil used for cake icing, also called “citrus”.
    Honey – a heavy sweet & floral taste like honey
    Hot or Red Pepper – a really hot spicy note.
    Metallic or Tinny – a tinny or brassy taste, I don’t like this.
    Mint – a minty note, I don’t particularly like this either.
    Molasses – a dark sweet flavor like molasses.
    Nutty – an oily nutty taste like walnuts, macadamia, or peanut. Padron Anni’s, esp. the natty , have a distinct coconut/macadamia flavor.
    Oil – an oily taste and texture, usually neutral like corn or canola oil.
    Salty – a salty note.
    Sour – a light sour note, a tang like dry white wine
    Sweet Spices – a taste like a combo of cinnamon, cardamom, nutmeg, allspice. Depending on the balance I’ll also use “pumpkin pie spice”. Really noticeable in cuban Partagas.
    Toasty – a taste like toasted white bread.
    Tobacco – a tobacco taste, can be light and toasty like Dominican or sweet and dark like Nicaraguan.

    Smell Tastes

    Cedar – tastes like cedar smells, an aromatic, sweet and woody note.
    Earthy – a taste like dark wet loam smells, a dark damp forest-smell taste.
    Flinty – a slightly metallic and stony taste, I don’t typically use it.
    Floral – a light sweet floral note like spring flowers.
    Grassy – a taste like fresh mowed grass.
    Leather – a taste like an old oiled baseball mitt, leather jacket or football smells.
    Red Clay – a smell like a fresh plowed farm field in the northeast, a sweet, oily limestone earth smell.
    Wood – a taste like old, well aged hardwood smells.

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    Huge Puffer Fish packed with spikes buzkirk's Avatar

    Thanks HM, as I am not very good at reviewing cigars, I can refer back to this description.

    Most of the time its just wheather I like the cigar or not, or how it compares to the other cigars or Lines I've tried.

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    Full grown Puffer Fish

    How about the taste of burnt match heads. I ge this alot. When I was a kid I would eat them.
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    Huge Puffer Fish packed with spikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Bangbang
    When I was a kid I would eat them.
    you can tell

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    Elder Puffer Fish Leader stanthetaxman's Avatar

    I've made the executive decision that this thread/topic should be "sticky worthy".............

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    Huge Puffer Fish packed with spikes

    i'm not good at describing tastes but I can definately tell that cigars taste different. I mean if they all tasted the same then what would be the point of trying different smokes

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    Full grown Puffer Fish Rocketman248-cr's Avatar

    Very interesting read, HM. I wil definitely be refering to this when I write reviews.

    However, I am slightly disapointed that you cannot taste 7 year old Madagascar vanilla. I thought every one could. I think you should go here, and get yourself some.

    "Do not ask me to describe the charms of reverie, or the contemplative ecstasy into which the smoke of our cigar plunges us."
    -- Jules Sandeau, French novelist

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    Puff.com Editor & Writer KevinG's Avatar

    Thanks for a great post HM.

    Thanks for making it sticky Stan. (That's what she said.)
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    Elder Puffer Fish Leader

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinG
    Thanks for a great post HM.

    Thanks for making it sticky Stan. (That's what she said.)
    And thanks Kevin for thanking them.

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    Huge Puffer Fish packed with spikes Python's Avatar

    I will describe what some of the tastes mean to me.
    It is hard to describe some of them in words, but I’ll attempt to do it just so people will get an idea of what I mean when I use a certain taste description.

    Pepper = Black Pepper

    Spice = Like a lot of different savory spices mixed together with a slight hint of sweetness to it.

    Woody = I don’t distinguish between different types of wood. If I say Woody, it is not a particular type of wood. The only wood that I will differentiate is Cedar.

    Earthy = When I say Earthy, I don’t mean the taste of dirt. It is kind of hard to explain, it is just Earthy.

    Chocolate = A slightly bitter dark Chocolate.

    Cocoa = A sweeter version on Chocolate.

    Vegetal = Like a damp grass that was recently cut.

    Coffee = A slightly bitter black coffee.

    Nutty = No different types of nuts, just nutty.

    These are what I taste; of course your taste buds are different than mine. I just wanted to post this so if anyone reads a review that I post they will get a better idea of what I taste.
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    Leading Puffer Fish lazylightningNY-cr's Avatar

    nice post. you've put words to some of the things i can taste and smell, but couldn't describe them myself.

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    Full grown Puffer Fish mangothebartender's Avatar

    Now....when tasting a cigar and describing the taste itself, do you include the taste of the wrapper as well?
    " A Cigarette Is A Smoke, A Cigar Is A Pleasure, and A Pipe Is A Companion"-Wayne Powers....quoting someone else.

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    Elder Puffer Fish Leader Acesfull's Avatar

    Certainly, i think acid cigars have the most obvious when it comes to being flavored but other such as the Graycliff Chateau (purple band) has a sweet taste that remains on my lips and can taste it if I lick my lips while smoking one of these.

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    Full grown Puffer Fish mangothebartender's Avatar

    Can you really find a big difference in smoking different cigars? I have smoked a couple that have tasted pretty much the same in my opinion OR there wasnt THAT big of a difference. Maybe I need to REALLYYYYYYYY try to taste better or something..
    " A Cigarette Is A Smoke, A Cigar Is A Pleasure, and A Pipe Is A Companion"-Wayne Powers....quoting someone else.

    "MMM! Want to smoke some cardboard?! Go to your local drugstore and/or gas station and buy yourself a cigar...and I use the term cigar loosely"- Tyler Norman

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    Elder Puffer Fish Leader Acesfull's Avatar

    Picking up the nuances of different cigars takes awhile, I'm always finding new stuff when I smoke the same cigar twice, plus sometimes aging helps bring nuances out, I dont think you have been smoking cigars long enough to age them that long. Sometimes you can find aged cigars at B&M's. The cigar shop up the street from me has some griffin's maduros that are pretty old according to andy (whitefish) i should probably go grab one one of these days.

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