Lsu / Va Tech

[boonedoggle]

Originally Posted by Tidefan73

Yeah, that's what happened!

hehe...make no mistake...he WILL leave you too!

[Tidefan73]

Originally Posted by boonedoggle

hehe...make no mistake...he WILL leave you too!

I have no doubt! BUT, before he does, he'll get up back to the program we once were and make Bama the school top players want to play at!!! Oh, and we'll be the Barn college a few times!!

[macjoe53]

Originally Posted by boonedoggle

WRONG! It would appear that LSU put the now infamous Nick Saban on the map!!!

Ain't it funny that some people seems to think LSU football didn't exist before Nick Saban showed up.
They seem to forget that LSU had previously won the SEC championship 8 times and did win the National Championship back before there was a BCS. My point is LSU has had a strong football program for a very long time.

[Tidefan73]

Originally Posted by macjoe53

Ain't it funny that some people seems to think LSU football didn't exist before Nick Saban showed up.

Oh it existed, but it was FAR from anything spectacular. In the 80's, they were tough and in the early 70s they were tough, but nothing spectacular.

[Tidefan73]

Originally Posted by macjoe53

Ain't it funny that some people seems to think LSU football didn't exist before Nick Saban showed up.
They seem to forget that LSU had previously won the SEC championship 8 times and did win the National Championship back before there was a BCS. My point is LSU has had a strong football program for a very long time.

Other than 2003, when was the last NC LSU won? 1958 ....LONG time ago

[Mbraud4]

This post is starting to get a lil ridiculous and off topic. Bama and LSU both have had good football programs with good years and bad years. Enough said...Saban was a good coach for LSU and drew alot of attention to LSU in recent years...I'm sure he will do the same for bama....this is going to be one hell of a rivalry now.

[LSU_Stogie]

Originally Posted by Tidefan73

Other than 2003, when was the last NC LSU won? 1958 ....LONG time ago

Wonder if you've read this...so according to the NCAA you have 6 but only 2 were won unanimously. Perhaps you may have more NC's than LSU but it is definently not the 12 so many Bammer fans seem to rally around to produce high views of their team.

"Keep claiming 12 when you really just have 6

I just wanted to clear up a few misconceptions about Alabama's claim to 12 national championships based on fact rather than bias. Credit is given where credit is due.
To clear up confusion, the word retroactive means they went back in time to award the championship.

'TWELVE' national championships is fraudulent, nothing but pure bunk ginned up by the SID Department. Here's a rundown:

1925 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with Dartmouth. Who awarded the NC? Houlgate and Helms. Houlgate started his system in 1927. So Bama won their 1925 NC using a formula that didn't exist until 1927? Helms Athletic Foundation started in 1941. Another incredible retroactive NC.

The Associated Press Poll has been active since 1936. The AP took their final poll prior to bowl games from 1936 - 1964 and in 1966 and 1967. They took their final poll after the bowl games in 1965 and from 1968 - Current.

1926 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with 3 other teams with equal or better records! Once again it is the Helms Athletic Foundation in 1941 that awards it!

1930 National Championship- The Davis poll says that Bama tied Notre Dame for NC this year. This was the only one to award it to Bama. Notre Dame was named NC in 6 polls! Parke Davis is another retroactive system! He (an individual, not an organization) did his in 1933!

1934 National Championship- Alabama says they share this with two other teams. The awarders are Dunkel, Williamson, and Football Thesaurus. Dunkel was an individual who came up with his own system. Williamson was a geologist who came up with his own system. Football Thesaurus first appeared in 1946!

1941 National Championship- This is a complete joke. The AP ranked Alabama 20th in the nation with 14 teams with better records in the top 20. Once again it is the Football Thesaurus that retroactively awards it. Alabama finished 3rd in the SEC that year. Mississippi State won the SEC title..yet Bama claims a National title!

1961 National Championship- Finally a legitimate NC. .

1964 National Championship- While the AP did award the NC to Bama (10-1-0), Arkansas had the better record, 11-0. Alabama played Texas in their bowl and LOST. The AP final poll was before the bowl.

1965 National Championship- The AP gave this to Bama. That year there were three teams with better records than Bama. Bama 9-1-1, Michigan St 10-1-0, Arkansas 10-1-0, Nebraska 10-1-0.

1973 National Championship- AP puts Bama 4th after their bowl game loss. Bama claims a NC from the UPI poll that was taken before they met Notre Dame in the bowl game and lost. There were 3 teams with better records than Bama that year. The embarrassment of naming Alabama number one caused the UPI to name champions after bowl games. Yet Bammer has no shame in claiming it of course.

1978 National Championship- AP gives this to Alabama(11-1-0) even though USC (12-1-0) had the better record Guess who Alabama lost to that year? USC!!!!!!!!!. UPI gave the NC to USC.

1979 National Championship- Their second legitimate NC. Their first Unanimous NC.

1992 National Championship- Their third legitimate NC. Their second Unanimous NC.

You can see why people ridicule Bama fans when they talk about 12 NCs. The early ones were awarded by individuals years after the games were played. These weren't consensus polls but NCs awarded by people that had their own formula for determining champions. Some NCs were given before bowl games that Bama lost. Using Alabama logic, Auburn could claim four national championships. But when Bammers brag they like to say they have twelve and Auburn has one. How silly. The NCAA recognizes 6 NCs for Bama and there are only two NCs that Bama has unanimously. You can't find an Auburn site claiming four national championships but there are plenty Bama sites claiming twelve."

Originally Posted by Tidefan73

I hope you enjoy LSU's second and last chance at a NC. LSU could never have the tradition that Bama has and Bama will play for many, many more NC's in the future. LSU in a couple of years will be happy with winning 4 games in the SEC. LSU was NOTHING before NS arrived and now that his players are leaving, they'll be nothing again. Don't you think its strange that a coach that only recruited for two weeks ended up with a #10 recruiting team? Kinda makes you wonder why LSU is only ranked 4th when Lessie had an entire recruiting season to pull in recruits. NS proved that top players want to play for him and that they want to play at Bama. What about this coming recruiting year?

I think I just proved that "tradition" a falsified dream conjured by Bama...now, after realizing that LSU is dominating with a win/loss ratio since 2002 of 52-12 and being consistently ranked in the Top 25 each year that this isn't Nick Saban's football program anymore. It hasn't been since he left for Miami and his players are trickling out at an extended rate. Lest we not forget that Ryan Perrilloux was pulled from Texas by Miles...and he was the highest recruited quarterback in the nation, a 5 star.

Originally Posted by Tidefan73

http://rivals100.rivals.com/TeamRank.asp?postype=0&sort=0&year=2008

I don't know if you know this, but this ranking holds no relevance until AFTER the season is finished and recruiting is focused on more intently. Including the fact that 13 of your 18 commits are from Alabama I don't find it surprising...they could either go to a ranked school or Auburn and after that ridiculous spring practice game with 90,000+ fans its no wonder young Alabama boys get starstruck with Nick Saban, of course they are signing up. In comparison, of the 16 commits to LSU, 9 are from Louisiana and 7 are from out of state...does this tell you something?

Originally Posted by Tidefan73

Before he does, he'll get up back to the program we once were and make Bama the school top players want to play at!

Don't count your eggs before they hatch...it only takes the right amount of money to turn Saban's eyes elsewhere. Good luck to you but I think it will take more than Saban to turn a program like Bama around.

As for Saban coming back to LSU, I don't want him, in fact most LSU fans don't want him back. We've seen where his allegiance lies and its not with Purple and Gold or Crimson...its Green.

[Tidefan73]

Originally Posted by LSU_Stogie

Wonder if you've read this...so according to the NCAA you have 6 but only 2 were won unanimously. Perhaps you may have more NC's than LSU but it is definently not the 12 so many Bammer fans seem to rally around to produce high views of their team.

"Keep claiming 12 when you really just have 6

I just wanted to clear up a few misconceptions about Alabama's claim to 12 national championships based on fact rather than bias. Credit is given where credit is due.
To clear up confusion, the word retroactive means they went back in time to award the championship.

'TWELVE' national championships is fraudulent, nothing but pure bunk ginned up by the SID Department. Here's a rundown:

1925 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with Dartmouth. Who awarded the NC? Houlgate and Helms. Houlgate started his system in 1927. So Bama won their 1925 NC using a formula that didn't exist until 1927? Helms Athletic Foundation started in 1941. Another incredible retroactive NC.

The Associated Press Poll has been active since 1936. The AP took their final poll prior to bowl games from 1936 - 1964 and in 1966 and 1967. They took their final poll after the bowl games in 1965 and from 1968 - Current.

1926 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with 3 other teams with equal or better records! Once again it is the Helms Athletic Foundation in 1941 that awards it!

1930 National Championship- The Davis poll says that Bama tied Notre Dame for NC this year. This was the only one to award it to Bama. Notre Dame was named NC in 6 polls! Parke Davis is another retroactive system! He (an individual, not an organization) did his in 1933!

1934 National Championship- Alabama says they share this with two other teams. The awarders are Dunkel, Williamson, and Football Thesaurus. Dunkel was an individual who came up with his own system. Williamson was a geologist who came up with his own system. Football Thesaurus first appeared in 1946!

1941 National Championship- This is a complete joke. The AP ranked Alabama 20th in the nation with 14 teams with better records in the top 20. Once again it is the Football Thesaurus that retroactively awards it. Alabama finished 3rd in the SEC that year. Mississippi State won the SEC title..yet Bama claims a National title!

1961 National Championship- Finally a legitimate NC. .

1964 National Championship- While the AP did award the NC to Bama (10-1-0), Arkansas had the better record, 11-0. Alabama played Texas in their bowl and LOST. The AP final poll was before the bowl.

1965 National Championship- The AP gave this to Bama. That year there were three teams with better records than Bama. Bama 9-1-1, Michigan St 10-1-0, Arkansas 10-1-0, Nebraska 10-1-0.

1973 National Championship- AP puts Bama 4th after their bowl game loss. Bama claims a NC from the UPI poll that was taken before they met Notre Dame in the bowl game and lost. There were 3 teams with better records than Bama that year. The embarrassment of naming Alabama number one caused the UPI to name champions after bowl games. Yet Bammer has no shame in claiming it of course.

1978 National Championship- AP gives this to Alabama(11-1-0) even though USC (12-1-0) had the better record Guess who Alabama lost to that year? USC!!!!!!!!!. UPI gave the NC to USC.

1979 National Championship- Their second legitimate NC. Their first Unanimous NC.

1992 National Championship- Their third legitimate NC. Their second Unanimous NC.

You can see why people ridicule Bama fans when they talk about 12 NCs. The early ones were awarded by individuals years after the games were played. These weren't consensus polls but NCs awarded by people that had their own formula for determining champions. Some NCs were given before bowl games that Bama lost. Using Alabama logic, Auburn could claim four national championships. But when Bammers brag they like to say they have twelve and Auburn has one. How silly. The NCAA recognizes 6 NCs for Bama and there are only two NCs that Bama has unanimously. You can't find an Auburn site claiming four national championships but there are plenty Bama sites claiming twelve."




I think I just proved that "tradition" a falsified dream conjured by Bama...now, after realizing that LSU is dominating with a win/loss ratio since 2002 of 52-12 and being consistently ranked in the Top 25 each year that this isn't Nick Saban's football program anymore. It hasn't been since he left for Miami and his players are trickling out at an extended rate. Lest we not forget that Ryan Perrilloux was pulled from Texas by Miles...and he was the highest recruited quarterback in the nation, a 5 star.





I don't know if you know this, but this ranking holds no relevance until AFTER the season is finished and recruiting is focused on more intently. Including the fact that 13 of your 18 commits are from Alabama I don't find it surprising...they could either go to a ranked school or Auburn and after that ridiculous spring practice game with 90,000+ fans its no wonder young Alabama boys get starstruck with Nick Saban, of course they are signing up. In comparison, of the 16 commits to LSU, 9 are from Louisiana and 7 are from out of state...does this tell you something?



Don't count your eggs before they hatch...it only takes the right amount of money to turn Saban's eyes elsewhere. Good luck to you but I think it will take more than Saban to turn a program like Bama around.

As for Saban coming back to LSU, I don't want him, in fact most LSU fans don't want him back. We've seen where his allegiance lies and its not with Purple and Gold or Crimson...its Green.

First of all, the NCAA doesn't recognize ANY NC for ANY school for football because the NCAA doesn't have a championship format for 1A schools. So, with the fact that you're wrong on your first statment, I have to question the integrity of the remaining information and where you got it from.

I'm glad you decided to spend so much time 'debunking' the tradition of Alabama. That shows you don't put ANY faith in the tradition of a school that has none.

I don't need to argue with you regarding Bama's history, their 12 titles, record bowl appearances, and record bowl wins proves that Bama is a storied program. Since LSUs program can't hold the jock-strap of Bama's, you research to try and prove the program isn't what the country knows what it is.

With that, your jealousy has preceeded you. Have a nice day.

RTR!!

[PadronMe]

Originally Posted by LSU_Stogie

1941 National Championship- This is a complete joke. The AP ranked Alabama 20th in the nation with 14 teams with better records in the top 20. Once again it is the Football Thesaurus that retroactively awards it. Alabama finished 3rd in the SEC that year. Mississippi State won the SEC title..yet Bama claims a National title!

The one time State wins anything and Bama has to go and claim the NC for that year. And State actually even beat Bama that year.

MISSISSIPPI STATE - 1941 NATIONAL CHAMPS. I'm retroactively claiming it.

[LeafHog]

There's an official trash talk thread elsewhere, or you Bama and LSU fans can go start your own specific lovefest thread if you so wish. Any more LSU/BAMA crap in the LSU/Va Tech thread will not be appreciated.