Bogus championship series

[macjoe53]

Dan Wetzel makes some good points.

http://www.sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/ne...yhoo&type=lgns

The BCS only benefits the Big 10 schools.

[King James]

good article indeed. I for one wouldn't mind seeing a playoff system in college football

[Alpedhuez55]

I disagree with part of the article. The BCS will benefit a good team in an otherwise weak conference. But from year to year that will change. They are not kissing up to the Big Ten. Next year Michigan or a few of the other teams could improve and the conference can be tough. It would be like saying the NFC Central stinks this year, so we are not going to allow any of their teams in the NFC Central in the playoffs.

USC benefited from a weak conference in recent years. After getting so much TV time, the rest of their conference eventually started getting better recruits and their conference gets a little tougher. Now teams like LSU, Cal USC all want a mulligan.

I think a Playoff System is the way to go. The BCS is kissing up to the the Bowls and bowl sponsors which is why there is not one now. Work something in the existing bowl schedule where you can have a 4 or 8 team playoff or even larger using the Conference Championship games. As it is now. you have two teams that have not played for a month and a half deciding who wins.

But as for BC & Ohio State as 1-2. They belong there. They are both undefeated. And in BC's case, their schedule is bottom heavy. I do not see them beating Clemson, Florida State, Miami, Maryland and Virgina Tech, but if they are able too, they should play for National Championship.

The people complaining about the BCS the loudest are the ones who have lost a game and are not considered for the top spot. It is like all the Yankee Fans who are bitching about the 5 game Divisions Series because they have not been able to get past it for the last three years. If USC, Cal and LSU are really that good, they really should not have let themselved be beaten by much less talented teams

[Genevapics]

Here's the problem I have with the article, several problems really:

1.) He's upset about what the BCS might look like this afternoon. Who cares? It isn't where you finish today, but where you finish in the Final BCS Poll at the end of the regular season.

2.) Upset that USF has only been playing D1 football for 11 years? WTF?! All they have done is beat Auburn (at Auburn) and West Virginia at home. They still have to play at Rutgers, Cincinnati and Louisville at home. Where's the legitimate gripe? Ohio State hasn't played anyone? Let's see the Buckeyes still have to play Michigan State 5-2 (1-2), @ Penn State 5-2 (2-2), Wisconsin 5-2 (2-2), Illinois 5-2 (3-1), @ Michigan 5-2 (3-0). Sure doesn't look like a waltz to the NC to me.

3.) "If there was ever a year crying for a playoff, this is it, when just about everyone has already lost and the gap between teams playing strong schedules and weak ones is so pronounced." So if we have a Playoff, how will we make sure that the the gap between teams playing strong schedules and weak ones is NOT so pronounced for the teams that qualify for the 8-team format?

Hey Dan, how about we all wait until the end of the year and see what the Final BCS Poll produces. Who knows, we might have an interesting matchup, say a 1-loss South Carolina team -v- an undefeated Hawaii team.

[jdbwolverines]

I agree that a playoff system is needed and that the BCS has caused as many problems as it has solved, but I too disagree with what he said. He basically states in first couple lines that the BCS is broken (which everyone knows) and then goes on bashing every conference he doesn't like. The nest conference in the nation this year is the SEC. LSU, South Carolina and Kentucky all look good and have a shot at winning the conference and possibly the NC. Every other BCS conference in the country has looked equally poor. Currently Ohio State leads the Big Ten and they haven't beaten anybody. Kansas leads the Big 12, with Oklahoma being the highest ranked. Kansas's schedule has been equally as poor as Ohio State's, and OU has beaten Missouri, but lost to Colorado. Arizona State currently leads the Pac 10 and has played nobody this year. Both Cal and USC lost to terrible teams and have also had very easy schedules. In the ACC, BC looks decent but has played a schedule even easier than Ohio State's. VA Tech may be a contender but were absolutely destroyed by LSU and have looked very shaky in other games. In the Big South Florida Looks good and quite possibly should be rankled #1 in the country. WV only lost to South Florida, but too has played a very easy schedule, and Cinci who looked pretty good too so far goes and looses to a terrible Louisville team.
I don't see how Dan Wetzel, supposedly a highly respect sports analyst, can make claims like only the Big Ten and ACC benefit from the BCS when every other conference has looked terrible (besides the SEC). Currently, the top ranked teams may have played an fairly easy schedule, but at least they have been winning. Thats more than the vast majority of teams can say out there. There is still a ton of college football left and most of these schedules get much tougher. Sure, there may be some controversy at the end of the season (like there always is, even pre-BCS), but let see how everything works out before you go off on crazy tangents make claims that are pretty unproven.

[boonedoggle]

I don't even have the energy anymore. The polls should be out soon anyways...

[preludese111]

"Boston College vs. South Florida in the BCS title game, anyone? How about either of them against an Ohio State team with exactly zero quality wins?"

This says it all. The BCS may benefit good teams in weak conferances, but who wants to see another way overrated Big Ten team(or ACC/Big East team at this point) come out and get stomped by an SEC team that got beaten by another SEC team and got close ones in the past(yes, a direct reference to last year and what seems to be the case this year). We learned last year that just b/c they're unbeaten, it doesn't mean anything. Fla was not THAT dominant in the SEC. They lost to Auburn, should've lost to USC(1 point win, 2 missed XP's, 1 missed FG) and had a bunch of squeakers. Then, they blew out the "best team in the country" without any competition. Like the guy said, OSU doesn't have to play anybody, even in their conference and they will probably be ranked 1. What does that tell you? It's not even arguable at this point; it's so ridiculously blatant and I hope they won't make the same mistake as last year, but we'll see.
Total anarchy!! I guess a low-rated NC game will fix it, but that kind of sucks it has to happen like that.
EDIT: haha, I just saw the parady of the title...wow, took me a minute, I'm not retarded I swear.

[whiteboard]

I agree that the only "fair" system is a playoff system. Any predictive formula will always be a hypothetical -- and is roughly akin to no more than a reasonably intelligent debate.

Football is "scored" based on the score on the field. And although statistics are fascinating in all sports, the only thing that matters at the end of the day is who kicked the shit out of you and who you kicked the shit out of.

That said, fans and teams tend to bitch when any "system" doesn't favor them. You can "argue" either side of the debate in a compelling fashion.

Bottom line: You want to win? Then don't lose. That is the only thing you can control. You lose and you have no right to bitch about any system.

[macjoe53]

At least we're not talking politics!

There was a pretty big article out last year about the BCS benefitting Big 10 teams. It was about how they were always in a BCS bowl as much as the monetary gains the Big 10 teams get and how the much control they have over the BCS.

[BigDawgFan]

Originally Posted by preludese111

"Boston College vs. South Florida in the BCS title game, anyone? How about either of them against an Ohio State team with exactly zero quality wins?"

This says it all. The BCS may benefit good teams in weak conferances, but who wants to see another way overrated Big Ten team(or ACC/Big East team at this point) come out and get stomped by an SEC team that got beaten by another SEC team and got close ones in the past(yes, a direct reference to last year and what seems to be the case this year). We learned last year that just b/c they're unbeaten, it doesn't mean anything. Fla was not THAT dominant in the SEC. They lost to Auburn, should've lost to USC(1 point win, 2 missed XP's, 1 missed FG) and had a bunch of squeakers. Then, they blew out the "best team in the country" without any competition. Like the guy said, OSU doesn't have to play anybody, even in their conference and they will probably be ranked 1. What does that tell you? It's not even arguable at this point; it's so ridiculously blatant and I hope they won't make the same mistake as last year, but we'll see.
Total anarchy!! I guess a low-rated NC game will fix it, but that kind of sucks it has to happen like that.
EDIT: haha, I just saw the parady of the title...wow, took me a minute, I'm not retarded I swear.

I'm a sec fan but let's not forget that UF had like 3 months to prepare for the buckeyes. If the sec was all that then we wouldn't have teams outside the confrence beating us. Bottom line is that college football is on a move even playing field these days and if they had the guts to do any kind of playoff system I doubt the #1 seed would win 50% of the time. I hope I see it in my lifetime but I doubt it.

Sorry about your Tigers Boone

[Genevapics]

Originally Posted by whiteboard

... You want to win? Then don't lose. That is the only thing you can control. You lose and you have no right to bitch about any system.

There it is in a nutshell!

[jdbwolverines]

I think BigDawgFan said it all with the evening of the college football playing field. We've been seeing this for the last 10+ years in college basketball and now its moving over to football. I think it has just taken longer due to the nature of the sports. The talent gap between the South Florida, Kentucky, Illinois, Cincinnati, Kansas etc. type schools and the Florida, Oklahoma, USC, Ohio State type schools is quickly shrinking. Maybe this year will just be a fluke and things will return to a more normal state, but I wouldn't be surprised to see this trend continue.

[preludese111]

Originally Posted by BigDawgFan

I'm a sec fan but let's not forget that UF had like 3 months to prepare for the buckeyes. If the sec was all that then we wouldn't have teams outside the confrence beating us. Bottom line is that college football is on a move even playing field these days and if they had the guts to do any kind of playoff system I doubt the #1 seed would win 50% of the time. I hope I see it in my lifetime but I doubt it.

Sorry about your Tigers Boone

I don't know, I guess it's a matter of opinion of course, but you could also say that FLA didn't get to play a game to prepare for it in that time, like OSU did. Bottom line is, both teams had plenty of time to prepare. FLA was just that much better.

[boonedoggle]

LSU #4! GEAUX TIGERS!

1 Ohio State 7-0 1 2845 .9982 1 1495 .9967 .8300 0 .942
2 South Florida 6-0 3 2508 .8800 3 1320 .8800 1.0000 0 .920
3 Boston College 7-0 2 2650 .9298 2 1383 .9220 .8200 0 .891
4 LSU 6-1 5 2303 .8081 5 1173 .7820 .9300 0 .840
5 Oklahoma 6-1 4 2503 .8782 4 1288 .8587 .5500 0 .762
6 South Carolina 6-1 6 2009 .7049 8 997 .6647 .8600 0 .743
7 Kentucky 6-1 11 1759 .6172 13 874 .5827 .8500 0 .683
8 Arizona State 7-0 12 1697 .5954 12 936 .6240 .8300 0 .683
9 West Virginia 5-1 8 1926 .6758 7 1007 .6713 .6400 0 .662
10 Oregon 5-1 7 1974 .6926 6 1077 .7180 .5000 0 .637
11 Virginia Tech 6-1 13 1638 .5747 11 982 .6547 .6600 0 .630
12 California 5-1 10 1894 .6646 9 983 .6553 .4800 0 .600
13 Kansas 6-0 15 1200 .4211 15 705 .4700 .6600 0 .517
14 USC 5-1 9 1915 .6719 9 983 .6553 .0900 0 .472
15 Florida 4-2 14 1458 .5116 14 726 .4840 .3100 0 .435
16 Missouri 5-1 17 1053 .3695 17 519 .3460 .4300 0 .382
17 Auburn 5-2 19 667 .2340 19 372 .2480 .5300 0 .337
18 Hawaii 7-0 16 1198 .4204 16 558 .3720 .0600 0 .284
19 Virginia 6-1 24 240 .0842 24 184 .1227 .4800 0 .229
20 Georgia 5-2 20 528 .1853 20 282 .1880 .3000 0 .224
21 Tennessee 4-2 22 420 .1474 22 193 .1287 .3100 0 .195
22 Texas 5-2 18 786 .2758 18 396 .2640 .0000 0 .180
23 Cincinnati 6-1 23 369 .1295 23 192 .1280 .1000 0 .119
24 Texas Tech 6-1 21 459 .1611 21 232 .1547 .0000 0 .105
25 Michigan 5-2 25 229

[jaycarla]

Originally Posted by boonedoggle

I don't even have the energy anymore. The polls should be out soon anyways...

Although calling the ACC the "SEC Lite" was pretty funny.