THe Mitchell Report

[Alpedhuez55]

Originally Posted by etw926

A-Rod's numbers have been consistent from his rookie year on. There is no reason to suspect that he is using anything.

Or maybe he could have been using something since his rookie year, or even High School. I played High School football with Sterroid users in the early 80s. A-Rod may be the greatest natural power hitter since Babe Ruth, even though he came into the majors as a skinny teen, or he took something to help him get stronger.

He is in his prime now. He could break hank Aaron's record by the time he is 37. If he extends his career as a DH to say 43-45, you cannot rule out 1000 home runs. I just do not buy one clean player being that much better than every other player in the game in the steroid age.

But it appears, whatever he may be taking, he stops taking it in October

[PadronMe]

Originally Posted by Alpedhuez55

or he took something to help him get stronger.

You keep dismissing the fact that a person can get bigger and stronger without steroids or hgh or igf. I did.

225 Lbs. @ 6' 3" isn't huge by any means.

[Alpedhuez55]

Originally Posted by PadronMe

You keep dismissing the fact that a person can get bigger and stronger without steroids or hgh or igf. I did.

225 Lbs. @ 6' 3" isn't huge by any means.

And not everyone on steroids looks like the Incredible Hulk.

I just think there is about a 60-40 chance that he is dirty. And I will not be shocked if a story breaks about him.

[yamaha6000]

I hope everyone who wants Bonds' record not to count also feels that way about Clemens and everyone else...I personally think his record should count, people, this is a sport, there is no reason the federal government should be getting into this. Is an actress "cheating" if she gets boob implants? This report is the best thing that could happen to Bonds.

[carbonbased_al]

Originally Posted by Alpedhuez55

And not everyone on steroids looks like the Incredible Hulk.

I just think there is about a 60-40 chance that he is dirty. And I will not be shocked if a story breaks about him.

Eh, seeing as how A-Rod is the biggest name in the sport, you'd figure he'd be the first one on the list in this witch hunt. I actually think he's clean.

[Alpedhuez55]

Originally Posted by yamaha6000

I hope everyone who wants Bonds' record not to count also feels that way about Clemens and everyone else...I personally think his record should count, people, this is a sport, there is no reason the federal government should be getting into this. Is an actress "cheating" if she gets boob implants? This report is the best thing that could happen to Bonds.

Uhm, first off...Boob implants are not illegal.

I do not see MLB going back and taking any of Clemens' or Bonds' awards back. I think a lot of the players on the list may have trouble when it comes to hall of fame balloting. It does not look like Baseball is willing to suspend people at this point.

And I would not have any problem MLB wiping out any records whether it be by Bonds or Clemens. Or barring them from the HOF. But it probably will not happen, because every year, HOF balloting would become constant reminder of the Sterroid era with news stories.

[krash]

I'm going to take heat for this, but as a sports watcher, I don't care about the Mitchell report. Allegations about steroid use, HGH, blood boosting and assorted other "supplements" have been plaguing all sports for years. None of these players (Except for Bonds lying) are being charged with a crime. Baseball ignored the problem for years until the Feds decided someone needed to clean up baseball. Can't keep meth and coke off the streets, but by God we'll take away steroids from athletes. I don't remember who posted it, but I found it related to how I feel about this. "These athletes are paid to entertain us." Not be role models. I don't condone the use of illegal drugs or steroids at all. Why did names need to be released with the report at all? So we would read it? We see Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitte and so on, but what about the smaller names listed. No one is mentioning these. The top players are taking the heat. Did steroids not help them enough?

Sorry. I just can't make myself care if a multi-million dollar athlete who plays in a multi-billion dollar sport was listed in this report. I don't know why they took it or for how long. But the releasing of this report, to me, is just another remarkably timed piece of sensationalist journalism.

[Alpedhuez55]

Originally Posted by carbonbased_al

Eh, seeing as how A-Rod is the biggest name in the sport, you'd figure he'd be the first one on the list in this witch hunt. I actually think he's clean.

The list was based on people who's names were brought up in various investigations (like Balco, or Signature Pharmacy) or who may have test positive in the past. But the best dopers in the world know how to stay a step ahead of the tougher Olympic testing. They usually get caught when there is a new test that they do not know about. So Baseballs Drug Testing Policy should not be too difficult to get around.

And what about the timing his signing the new contract, the day before Mitchell Report being released to me is another sign he may be dirty. Get the contract done before the list comes out...That way if he is on it, the team cannot do anything about it. His value would have dropped considerably if he was on the list.

I know it is pure speculation, but I just feel something is up with him.

[Alpedhuez55]

Originally Posted by krash

We see Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitte and so on, but what about the smaller names listed. No one is mentioning these. The top players are taking the heat. Did steroids not help them enough?

Actually, a lot of them never would have made it out of the Monors if not for Steroids. And for every roster spot an abuser takes on the bench, there is a kid sitting in Triple-A wondering if he will ever get his chance at the Show.

And I am sure shen they sign their next contract, it will be for less money, if teams are willing to even take a chance on them.

[PadronMe]

Originally Posted by Alpedhuez55

And not everyone on steroids looks like the Incredible Hulk.

And not everyone who's ever gained any muscle has been on something

Originally Posted by Alpedhuez55

I just think there is about a 60-40 chance that he is dirty. And I will not be shocked if a story breaks about him.

I do know that Jose said he was on it and its looking more and more like his book wasn't so far fetched after all.

[Alpedhuez55]

Originally Posted by PadronMe

I do know that Jose said he was on it and its looking more and more like his book wasn't so far fetched after all.

Jose's book was pretty much legitimatized by those congressional hearings. Though he will always be considered Sleazy no matter what he does. I think that has something to do with sleeping with Madonna

As for A-Rod, like I said, it is pure speculation on my part. And if he is linked to something, it would not shock me. But for the love of the game, I hope he is clean.

I am a big Cycling fan and the stuff that is going on with Baseball right now reminds me of a lot of what was going on in Cycling 10 years ago. Players doing whatever it takes to gain an edge, coaches and owners looking the other way. You thought it could not get worse after those congressional hearings, but a few years later, it does. Many of the biggest names in the sport are caught cheating. There are some estimates of as many as 40-50% of MLB players having used Performance Enhancing Drugs.

I really think we are headed to Sporting Fraud Laws in the US. Baseball obviously is not doing enough to clean itself up. Government almost stepped in a few years ago. I think they are going to soon unless Baseball and the Players' Union figure something out.

[floydp]

No matter what happens, this will be known as the roid era. Just like the time before Babe Ruth was the dead ball era. The comparison thats always made between Babe Ruth's time and say the 60's and into the 80's, now the roid era just doesn't hold water, you can't compare those eras to each other. Ballparks and conditioning are so vastly different you can't make those comparisons. This is just another era in sports.

[ttours]

Originally Posted by yamaha6000

I hope everyone who wants Bonds' record not to count also feels that way about Clemens and everyone else...I personally think his record should count, people, this is a sport, there is no reason the federal government should be getting into this. Is an actress "cheating" if she gets boob implants? This report is the best thing that could happen to Bonds.

Got to figure Marion Jones would agree

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