Barry Bonds

[Fat Old Sun]

Originally Posted by Stogiefanatic182

Granted Bonds has a bad attitude, but he doesnt owe anyone anything. His job is to go out and play the game of baseball and earn his paycheck.

He represents his employer, and his co-workers, just like we do. If I was asked by a reporter to comment on my job, and I acted like an ass, there's a good chance that that paycheck would stop coming.

[rjose]

Originally Posted by ComicBookFreak

Also a man named Ty Cobb, a known racist,and "dirty" player who was known to sharpen the metal spikes on his cleets so he could jam them into the player trying to tag him out? This is cheating. But he remains in the HOF.

As the barer of the Old English "D" I must come to the defense of the Georgia Peach.

1. Ty Cobb was a racist. He was born in 1886 in Narrows GA, are you surprised? Am I defending him being a racist? No. Did it make him a better ball player? No.

2. Did Ty Cobb sharpen his cleats and spike players? Yes. Was there an umpire there ever time who could have called him out if he thought it was cheating? Yes.

3. Did any of these things help Ty hit .366 lifetime? No. That is why he's in the Hall, the first in the Hall.

The greatest hitter baseball will ever see, and quite possibly the biggest a$$hole as well.

[PadronMe]

Originally Posted by ComicBookFreak

Hey Moses many have said Lance Armstrong was blood doping. He said he didn't and has never been proven to have. So does that make him guilty or Innocent?

CBF

Don't even try to compare that joke of a system the MLB has to the testing
Lance Armstrong has done.

[ComicBookFreak]

Originally Posted by PadronMe

Don't even try to compare that joke of a system the MLB has to the testing
Lance Armstrong has done.

Read the Question you quoted again I never compared the testing systems. I asked a question on guilt or innocence based on the things people reported and said about him, but that it was never proven. So How do you get I compared the 2 systems?

CBF

Quick Edit: I based my question on one being very popular and one being not so popular,even despised by some, not the system of testing. But the perception of society.

[Alpedhuez55]

Originally Posted by ComicBookFreak

Read the Question you quoted again I never compared the testing systems. I asked a question on guilt or innocence based on the things people reported and said about him, but that it was never proven. So How do you get I compared the 2 systems?

You compare the two systems when you compare the two athletes. Baseball was a total joke. Cycling has been pretty strict since the late 90s and the whole Festina affair.

And if they gave suspensions based on circumstantial evidence, between close ties to Balco, the mystery cream, and his sudden change in body shape and power numbers, it is safe to say he is a user who used Balco to get designer steroids and masking agents to stay one step ahead of the testing. But the same could be said for Armstrong and his relationship to Dr. Ferrari.

But as a system, after the Strike in the 90s, they looked the other way towards steroids because the Home Run records got a lot of press for them until Congress stepped in. Cycling was the same way in the 90s until the Italian and French governments stepped in.

[mosesbotbol]

Originally Posted by PadronMe

Don't even try to compare that joke of a system the MLB has to the testing
Lance Armstrong has done.

Lance- 10x a month with loads people hoping he fails..., Bonds- maybe twice ever?

[ComicBookFreak]

Originally Posted by Alpedhuez55

You compare the two systems when you compare the two athletes. Baseball was a total joke. Cycling has been pretty strict since the late 90s and the whole Festina affair.

And if they gave suspensions based on circumstantial evidence, between close ties to Balco, the mystery cream, and his sudden change in body shape and power numbers, it is safe to say he is a user who used Balco to get designer steroids and masking agents to stay one step ahead of the testing. But the same could be said for Armstrong and his relationship to Dr. Ferrari.

But as a system, after the Strike in the 90s, they looked the other way towards steroids because the Home Run records got a lot of press for them until Congress stepped in. Cycling was the same way in the 90s until the Italian and French governments stepped in.

Well read it however you wish, but I never compared the testing systems. I compared a very popular athlete to a not so popular athlete and how they are looked at by the media and people as a whole based on their popularity. that was my point, not that I thought testing for Cycling is a joke. And for the record I think Lance is was and will be clean. i was just pointing out how easy it is to jump on the "bandwagon" when one is not liked that well. Sorry if there was any misunderstanding of this point.

Another point is that in ANY drug test it can be beaten. How many athletes have used and not got caught? Who knows?

BTW Great conversation without anyone getting outta control. Nothing like a nice debate with civility.

CBF

[ComicBookFreak]

Originally Posted by mosesbotbol

Lance- 10x a month with loads people hoping he fails.

IMO Lance will never fail one. I have a lot of respect for Lance and wasn't Lance bashing. I was just trying to use a very popular world wide athlete. Just for the record Lance is the man!!!!

CBF

[PadronMe]

Originally Posted by ComicBookFreak

So How do you get I compared the 2 systems?

Because you defend Bonds by saying he's never tested positive. Then you say Lance has been accused of doping but never failed a test. The connection is both have been accused but never tested positive.

My point is that the testing Lance has gone through is astronomical compared to what Bonds has.

If Barry wants to clear his name then he out to offer blood samples to test and let the ICU or IOC test it. When he does that I will believe him. Screw the players union, he doesn't need them anyway, and prove your innocent. Its just like Palmeiro, if he was innocent, he would give the proof instead of hiding behind the lawyers and players union. Same with Michael Irvin, Mcgwire, Sammy "me no hablo Ingles" Sosa.

[PadronMe]

Originally Posted by ComicBookFreak

I have a lot of respect for Lance and wasn't Lance bashing. CBF

I know you weren't bashing Lance. You are just defending Bonds because he's you're favorite player.

[ComicBookFreak]

Originally Posted by PadronMe

I know you weren't bashing Lance. You are just defending Bonds because he's you're favorite player.

Actually my second favorite. Ted Williams was the man. He was my favorite and even served his country during war time. Just imagine his numbers had he played baseball instead of joining the military.

[PadronMe]

Originally Posted by ComicBookFreak

Actually my second favorite. Ted Williams was the man. He was my favorite and even served his country during war time. Just imagine his numbers had he played baseball instead of joining the military.

In my opinion, there just aren't players like Ted anymore. The Ted Williams era(late 30's - early 70's) had the greatest baseball players ever.

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by carbonbased_al

Bonds is a trash talking, steroid abusing piece of crap. It'll be a damn shame when he passes Ruth.

Ditto!

[ukyfan]

Originally Posted by PadronMe

In my opinion, there just aren't players like Ted anymore. The Ted Williams era(late 30's - early 70's) had the greatest baseball players ever.

I have to agree. I think most of the players in that era (mostly the '30s and '40s) really enjoyed playing the game, and were not in it just for the money. Today you hear about players bitching about $$$ all the time. But back to the subject here... I wish Bonds would just go away. He is one of the 2 players with the worst attitude, A-Rod is the other. If you want to see how a true player acted, go back to the '50s through the '70s and look up a man named Roberto Clemente. I really wish I was around to watch him play. From everything that I have read and heard others say about him, he was one of the classiest guys to ever put on a pair of spikes!

Bonds needs to take a few lessons!

Sorry to rant on, just my

[ky toker]

Well McGwire never admitted to steroids, and the only thing he admits to is using adrostene which is a legal supplement. And as far as Bonds, I'd like to see him gone as well even though I no longer allow baseball on my TV.

I'm not going to accuse or excuse, but a lot of what was going on is like hearing my sister every time she see's a woman with bigger boobs, "Those are fake". I will say there are a few legitimate products that can help an athletes preformance and with proper training gains in muscle size with a higher growth % than without.

I will also say f^*K the dirty asshat who after his career was done cut a deal to bust his teammates for the mighty $$$. Nice book Can-suko!