Democrats and the child health care bill

[lowcountrycigars]

Well now I understand. I wondered why, if democrats want so desperately to pass a bill that would give free health care to children, they would make it so completely impalpable to republicans?

Any family 85k in income or less??

Kids up to the age of 23???

Outrages taxes that would cause entire industries to crumble virtually overnight?

I asked myself why would they put incredible taxes on products that would either cause people to stop using them or create a black market when those products were to pay for their programs?

I kept saying to myself it is almost as if they want it to fail. weird!

Now I understand! The bill that currently supports low income families, who cannot afford insurance, runs out this month. The new bill if vetoed will cause those children to go without funding for health care.

So if Bush vetoes the bill it will make him look like he doesn't care about children. (Win for the Democrats!) If he does pass the bill it will make the republicans (Most of whom already support the bill) to look like they are completely fiscally liberal, thus losing the support from their base. (Win for the democrats!)That is why republicans jumped on the band wagon for a bill that is completely impractical. They didn't want to be seen as uncaring in an election year, regardless of the complete impracticality of the bill.

wow!!

So in reality the Democrats could give a darn about children or health care. The do care much more about power. They did this knowing full well that Bush would probably veto it. Knowing full well that children would go without funding, knowing full well it would give them the talking points they need for next years election.

They make me ill! Wake up America these people don't give a care about you, children or anyone but themselves. Same goes for the republicans who voted for this bill to save their own hides!


And they wonder why their approval ratings are in the toilet. We don’t trust you anymore!! And with good reason!

http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/th...hreadid=406107

[glking]

Well stated!

[kjjm4]

It does make you wonder what their real motives are. A straight up reauthorization of the old bill with little to no expansion would have passed easily and Bush would've signed it. It's a shame that the kids who actually rely on SCHIP for health insurance are going to get shafted.

Originally Posted by kjjm4

It does make you wonder what their real motives are. A straight up reauthorization of the old bill with little to no expansion would have passed easily and Bush would've signed it. It's a shame that the kids who actually rely on SCHIP for health insurance are going to get shafted.

Or maybe not. Perhaps thecigar industry wll.

[macjoe53]

Originally Posted by lowcountrycigars

Well now I understand. I wondered why, if democrats want so desperately to pass a bill that would give free health care to children, they would make it so completely impalpable to republicans?

Any family 85k in income or less??

Kids up to the age of 23???

Outrages taxes that would cause entire industries to crumble virtually overnight?

I asked myself why would they put incredible taxes on products that would either cause people to stop using them or create a black market when those products were to pay for their programs?

I kept saying to myself it is almost as if they want it to fail. weird!

Now I understand! The bill that currently supports low income families, who cannot afford insurance, runs out this month. The new bill if vetoed will cause those children to go without funding for health care.

So if Bush vetoes the bill it will make him look like he doesn't care about children. (Win for the Democrats!) If he does pass the bill it will make the republicans (Most of whom already support the bill) to look like they are completely fiscally liberal, thus losing the support from their base. (Win for the democrats!)That is why republicans jumped on the band wagon for a bill that is completely impractical. They didn't want to be seen as uncaring in an election year, regardless of the complete impracticality of the bill.

wow!!

So in reality the Democrats could give a darn about children or health care. The do care much more about power. They did this knowing full well that Bush would probably veto it. Knowing full well that children would go without funding, knowing full well it would give them the talking points they need for next years election.

They make me ill! Wake up America these people don't give a care about you, children or anyone but themselves. Same goes for the republicans who voted for this bill to save their own hides!


And they wonder why their approval ratings are in the toilet. We don’t trust you anymore!! And with good reason!

http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/th...hreadid=406107

And this surprises you how?

[calistogey]

Have actually heard somewhere that suspending all expenditures for a certain occupation for a mere 3 months will be enough to cover the supplement.

[uncballzer]

Originally Posted by kjjm4

It does make you wonder what their real motives are. A straight up reauthorization of the old bill with little to no expansion would have passed easily and Bush would've signed it. It's a shame that the kids who actually rely on SCHIP for health insurance are going to get shafted.

I did read somewhere basically the same argument, that if Bush vetoes it, it makes him look bad and the dems good. It's freakin ridiculous what the ppl WE voted in try to do to us. I say we make a law that politicians can't run for office; get those ppl out of office. So letting the same families run (Kennedy, Bush, etc) year after year. They already got so much damn money, they don't know what it's like to actually "live" in America.

Make it a requirement that for every 5 public offices, 1 must be held by a farmer, construction worker, something that actually knows what life is like!
Sorry, went on a rant--but isn't that what this post is for?

[AAlmeter]

Originally Posted by lowcountrycigars

So in reality the Democrats could give a darn about children or health care. The do care much more about power. They did this knowing full well that Bush would probably veto it. Knowing full well that children would go without funding, knowing full well it would give them the talking points they need for next years election.

You hit the nail on the head with that one. All any politician since the time of Van Buren (early Democrat who started their policy of pandering to the poor and uneducated for votes) has cared about is power. After almost 200 years of whining for the poor and buying votes with policies, iniatives, and spoils, they have yet to even come close to replicating the success and widespread prosperity seen in the country prior to their acceptance.

I hope Bush vetoes this, what's he have to lose? Time for him to grow a pair and stand up for some conservative ideals.

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.


-CS Lewis

[macjoe53]

I posted this in another thread, but wanted to put it here also.

There was the interesting story on CBS Radio news this morning. Almost 8 billion dollars a year is being spent on "routine" office visits and unnecessary medical test every year. That is almost as much as spent on treating breast cancer according to the story.

[Coffee Grounds]

The Democrats just want to tax us to death so they can give handouts to their voting class so they can stay in power.

The want to take away our free markets and turn us into a socialistic country. If you say I am crazy then look at the bills they try to pass.

[Bax]

I don't think they want to tax anyting. I think they want to look good for the voters. NO politician in his right mind would be for higher taxes.

As you stated, this IS politics. The insurance reform is wonderful, it will be taken advantage of and will probably become like wellfare, a complete disaster. The projects in major cities were also to help the poor, and it became an inner city prison. There is NO politician, and no person in fact who shouldn't support health care for children. But there will be those who abuse it and ruin it for the people who really need it. IE...look at the disablialty payoffs in Califorinia. That's why the taxes are so high for everything in that state. Once the mess is started, no one wants to step in and fix it.

This tax is mainly for cigarette sales, but the issue of cigar tax was brought up by the cigarette makers. Why are we being taxed and they're not type of thing. Then of course congress agreed and taxed everybody.
So write congress all you like, it won't help much. It's just about written in stone. Taxes will go up, a black market will be created, and small business will suffer, not for the children, but to look good for the next re-election.

All I can say is buy an extra humidor and stock up. Then you'll not have to worry about it. Think of a few hundred stogies as an investment that will surely go up in value on January 1st.

[Spect]

It's not simply a matter of saving a few hundred, cause lets face it... that wont last all that long for a few of us.

The big problem here is going to be the economic fall out. All those 3rd world nations, who export almost exclusively tobacco, are going to be crushed! Not to mention the small business owners in our own country. The health and welfare of children is important, but not at the cost of destabilizing the South American economy. With the passage of this act we're essentially creating more need for the bill. Even if it is all to make Bush look bad, it's another short sighted answer to a problem with wide reaching repercussions.

/end

[FriendlyFire]

I think you send each 7 one of them one free Cigar tro smoke, maybe they will change there minds. They have no idea what Cigar's are.

[c2000]

If you can't afford your kids insurance then wear a jimmy cap from now on..


Jerry in Minnesota.

[Corona Gigante]

Originally Posted by lowcountrycigars

Well now I understand. I wondered why, if democrats want so desperately to pass a bill that would give free health care to children, they would make it so completely impalpable to republicans?

I think you mean unacceptable rather than impalpable.

Anyway, 45 House Republicans supported the bill and eight House Democrats opposed it, so it's not a completely partisan issue.

Bush has promised to veto and the majority in the House was not big enough to override the veto, so it's unlikely that this version of the bill will become law.