Another tax from the Democraps

[muziq]

Originally Posted by Bigwaved

What? Are you saying the title of this thread doesn't make everyone warm and fuzzy?

Well, Dave, I'm warm and fuzzy, but not because of this thread title

[Da Klugs]

Originally Posted by Corona Gigante

The Democrats implemented a "pay-as-you-go" budget policy back in March. It basically means that the government will not introduce any new spending without a way to pay for it. Apparently, they are applying this policy retroactively onto the war spending. I think this is fair. If people who support the war have to pay for it out of their own pockets instead of passing the debt down to their grandchildren they might think differently about an indefinite occupation.

Just my $0.02.

I'd place credence to your argument if they retroactively included social security, Medicaid, Medicare, govt benefits and pensions, entitlements, subsidies, etc. into the same approach. As it stands it's just politics pointed at a volatile issue with the sole cynical purpose of political gain.

Our "future generations" problems have been created by committing to many things which continue to get worse from a financial overcommitment standpoint, coupled with the US's position changing in the world economy. Singling out the war spending as the keystone for our future generations financial well being, is at best myopic, and at worst a shill based agenda.

Conversely, our future generations need a safe place to live has a place in the discussion as well. Hindsight is always 20/20. No one will argue that it's not the best of situations. We can all argue about how to resolve it.

[Trout]

My knee jerk reaction this story on the news was-- You have to be sh**ting me. You jerks don't have the balls or the courage to end the Iraq war, so you'll put the responsibility on the public. What a bunch of chicken sh**ts.

Yes I know things are not so simple, who should pay for the war, us or our children, the politics of why we are there, and the dems vs. republicans. But that was just my first initial reaction and I think I'm not the only one who will be thinking the same thing.

I have always felt that poliaticns who really are against the war should vote no on funding the war, then if the admistration sends troops anyways it becomes a showdown. The problem as my simple mind sees it; neither side is really willing to draw a hard line in the sand. They (both sides) would rather use thier own media darlings to sing to the quire.

It is a real shame a third party doesn't seem to be able to find a candidate that could win and kick both parties to the curb. What a bunch of ignorant smug bastards.

[adsantos13]

Let me preface this post by saying I'm more of a libertarian when it comes to fiscal policy, economic policy, etc.

What I always seem to get a good chuckle out of is the idea that Republicans are somehow more fiscally responsible. I mean, the current administration has been spending money like a drunken sailor for the past couple years all the while financing it via foreign debt. How do the so called fiscally responsible Republicans explain the mega medicare entitlement Bush signed a couple years back? What will happen when the Chinese decide they want their dollars back? IMO, this kind of irresponsibility it untenable...

Yes, "Democraps" might want to tax you death but the current "Republicans" are spending our tax money like its on fire.

But what do I know...

[Bigwaved]

Originally Posted by muziq

Well, Dave, I'm warm and fuzzy, but not because of this thread title

One word:

Shower!

[Da Klugs]

Catering to the 32% it seems...

[BlueHavanaII]

Just curious...
the Dems say we are spending billions a week on the war.
Isn't this partially money we'd be spending on the military anyway if we werent involved in a war? (Like personnel salaries, maintenance, etc).

What's the war really costing???

[macjoe53]

Originally Posted by adsantos13

Let me preface this post by saying I'm more of a libertarian when it comes to fiscal policy, economic policy, etc.

What I always seem to get a good chuckle out of is the idea that Republicans are somehow more fiscally responsible. I mean, the current administration has been spending money like a drunken sailor for the past couple years all the while financing it via foreign debt. How do the so called fiscally responsible Republicans explain the mega medicare entitlement Bush signed a couple years back? What will happen when the Chinese decide they want their dollars back? IMO, this kind of irresponsibility it untenable...

Yes, "Democraps" might want to tax you death but the current "Republicans" are spending our tax money like its on fire.

But what do I know...

First, I'm going to agree with most of what you have to say. But I think the mega medicare entitlement Bush signed was not a Republican program per se, I think it was more to the democrat/bi-partisan members of the house and senate that pushed that through. Yes, the Republicans are spending money, but that doesn't make them worse than the Democrats who are currently in control of both houses and whose track record is to increase entitlements to make their voter base happy.

That being said, I'm an independent voter. I generally vote for the candidate that most suits my middle-of-the-road to conservative ideals. That doesn't mean I'm real happy with either party or the current president. But we have to work with what we have...

[Bigwaved]

Originally Posted by BlueHavanaII

Just curious...
the Dems say we are spending billions a week on the war.
Isn't this partially money we'd be spending on the military anyway if we werent involved in a war? (Like personnel salaries, maintenance, etc).

What's the war really costing???

I believe it could be easily found by taking what has been spent above and beyond the approved military budget before it started plus any costs incurred that are related to the war, but I am not an accountant or did I sleep at the Holiday Inn Express.

[GOAT LOCKER]

Originally Posted by Da Klugs

Catering to the 32% it seems...

And I can guarantee you that most of those 32% think you are not paying enough taxes Dave.

[GOAT LOCKER]

BTW, Pelosi already said that this bill was never supported by the Dem leadership, so it's pretty much DOA. It was more of a policical stunt by a few than a serious bill, IMO.

[borndead1]

Originally Posted by adsantos13

Let me preface this post by saying I'm more of a libertarian when it comes to fiscal policy, economic policy, etc.

What I always seem to get a good chuckle out of is the idea that Republicans are somehow more fiscally responsible. I mean, the current administration has been spending money like a drunken sailor for the past couple years all the while financing it via foreign debt. How do the so called fiscally responsible Republicans explain the mega medicare entitlement Bush signed a couple years back? What will happen when the Chinese decide they want their dollars back? IMO, this kind of irresponsibility it untenable...

Yes, "Democraps" might want to tax you death but the current "Republicans" are spending our tax money like its on fire.

But what do I know...

I was going to post a reply in this thread until I read this.


Well said and right on the money.

[Joey Link]

Originally Posted by adsantos13

Let me preface this post by saying I'm more of a libertarian when it comes to fiscal policy, economic policy, etc.

What I always seem to get a good chuckle out of is the idea that Republicans are somehow more fiscally responsible. I mean, the current administration has been spending money like a drunken sailor for the past couple years all the while financing it via foreign debt. How do the so called fiscally responsible Republicans explain the mega medicare entitlement Bush signed a couple years back? What will happen when the Chinese decide they want their dollars back? IMO, this kind of irresponsibility it untenable...

Yes, "Democraps" might want to tax you death but the current "Republicans" are spending our tax money like its on fire.

But what do I know...

I agree, very well said. I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal, but not quite a libertarian. I vote Republican and work for Republican candidates whom I believe are true to the Republican platform. If you compare the records of the current R's in office with the platform you'll see there's nearly no resemblance.

[mdtaggart]

Instead of raising taxes, why don't we take some of the Iraq oil money to pay for the war. It's only fair. Many have accused the US of going to war for the oil, soooooo, lets get it.

[AAlmeter]

Originally Posted by mdtaggart

Instead of raising taxes, why don't we take some of the Iraq oil money to pay for the war. It's only fair. Many have accused the US of going to war for the oil, soooooo, lets get it.

Can't. It would be a PR nightmare. It is a good idea though, they created the mess, they can pay to fix it.

Its the same reason why haven't we gone through and cleaned house like we did in Germany? PR nightmare.

Let's face it. We're a country of candy-asses. The spirit that once drove the young men of our greatest generation to enlist after Pearl Harbor is gone. We called those same great young men butchers and murderers during Vietnam. Now that the limps and libs have received flack for that, they instead "support the troops but not the mission". Just like the PETA member who supports the butcher, but not his job.

I think a lot of the problem is that we have a very strong media with nothing to counter it. Yes, the media is liberal, but sometimes life hands you a shit sandwich. It is something Americans have to deal with. What is needed is a strong president. A president who can remind us daily of the great work our men and women are doing over in the Middle East. A president who is willing to blow the Hajj out of a Mosque because its being used as a weapons cache. Who gives a flying F if some sick assclown in a foreign country thinks its holy? I think my F-150 is holy, won't stop the police from ticketing me if I'm doing 55 in a 30.

A lot of simple people try to paint this as a war for oil, or daddy's war, or some other shit they overheard while waiting for a grande mocha light frappucino with a sprinkle of ssssssssssssssssss-cinnamon at a Starbuckssssssssssss. Unfortunately, this war goes a lot deeper and has a lot more implications than something done for the hell of it.

Back to the original topic. There are a lot of nitwits who seek out any reason to defame the effort of our troops and the president. It could be helping an old lady cross the street or taking down a totalitarian regime in the middle of the Middle East and introducing free thought and free trade. No matter how noble the pursuit, it still ain't sending welfare checks to this shit areas of town....so its a bad idea in their book. Paying for the war with Iraqi war money will open up further avenues for more nitwit bitching. On top of that, every dollar that Iraq has available to them and open to capitalism as they emerge as a new nation will have a great impact on their ability to fend off Islamic totalitarianism and build a free capitalistic society.