Another tax from the Democraps

[Bigwaved]

Originally Posted by Fenwick

Just let it go nicky and please do us all a favor and resist your urge to continue to troll for trouble.

Everyone here already has your number so there's no need for you to continue to confirm what we all already know about you.

You find no irony in that you called him out by name with a claim about the cost of the occupation of Iraq? He is asking you to show him where your claim that the war is costing a fraction of what the General Accounting Office is reporting. Is it too hard to describe putting an a blindfold and throwing darts at random numbers on a wall? Or, are you referencing some report or account of what is being spent?

[Smoked]

I don't usually participate in these types of threads because I don't know all that much about the subject. After reading some of the posts I would have to say that neither do some of you. It's my opinion that you can't put a price on protecting our fine country so the cost of the war should be irrelevant. Is it possible that there are reasons for the war that our government has not informed us about? Could there have been intelligence obtained that we are not privileged to? I ask this because of the many reasons that we have been given for the war. There must be something else that we don't know about. Like I said, I don't really know all of that much about the subject. I don't belong to any type of political party.

[carbonbased_al]

Originally Posted by Fenwick

Just let it go nicky and please do us all a favor and resist your urge to continue to troll for trouble.

Everyone here already has your number so there's no need for you to continue to confirm what we all already know about you.

Let what go? He asked you what info you had about the cost of the war being being much lower than what is being stated. You can't just say something like that and not back it up. Until you post post some hard facts, it's just a nice little conspiracy theory on your part. The only one trolling for trouble here is you Fenwick.

[Mister Moo]

Originally Posted by Fenwick

What does whether or not I post my personal information have to do with anything? Please enlighten us.

Oh boy! Enlightenment! An excess of testosterone is not compensation for the absence of common courtesy?

I welcome a good argument about anything from anyone but guarantee an anonymous name-caller who buzzes in and disrespects another member is going to be more successful elsewhere. Try a bit of introspection and some manners.

[muziq]

Originally Posted by Mister Moo

Oh boy! Enlightenment! An excess of testosterone is not compensation for the absence of common courtesy?

I welcome a good argument about anything from anyone but guarantee an anonymous name-caller who buzzes in and disrespects another member is going to be more successful elsewhere. Try a bit of introspection and some manners.

Beautifully stated, Dan. Could not agree more regarding the general tone of this discussion. Seems like we're already to the name-calling stage and we still have a year of this highly-visible partisan debate to go. Ugh...

[burninator]

Originally Posted by muziq

Beautifully stated, Dan. Could not agree more regarding the general tone of this discussion. Seems like we're already to the name-calling stage and we still have a year of this highly-visible partisan debate to go. Ugh...

And suddenly, no matter which party gets your vote, both have won.

[Corona Gigante]

Originally Posted by Fenwick

Just let it go nicky and please do us all a favor and resist your urge to continue to troll for trouble.

Everyone here already has your number so there's no need for you to continue to confirm what we all already know about you.

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by Corona Gigante

Excuse me guys, we're trying to have a civil discussion about the cost of the war here.

Feel free not to contribute, but if you do, please try to keep it on topic. Thanks.

Civil?

We all know that political threads go right down the crapper here at CS. It's usually the same folks, taking the same sides. I have no problem with any of your opinions, it's just that we seem to debate the same thing over and over.

So, understanding that civilized debate is healthy, and there is no way we will ever get away from these until something is done:

I offer all who would prefer to debate this further the following website:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/

It uses vbulletin, so you will be comfortable and familiar with the interface, and it is all about civilized political debate! Talk about a win/win...go get 'em gents!

[IHT]

Originally Posted by kdhoffma

As long as the bush administration slaps that bumper sticker on it, they can get away with anything. Tap our phones, read our mail, and take away our personal freedoms? It's all right because it keeps us safe from the terrorists!

my one and only post in this topic will be:

oh, you mean like FDR did during WWII???

btw - you were losing your person freedoms long before g. bush was in office.
you're on a cigar board and don't recognize that your freedom to smoke in a public place has been infringed upon?? your right to choose what you can/can't eat??

[mdtaggart]

When it comes to the cost of the war, one should factor in the cost of the military prior to the war. I think, but do not know, that the numbers in the media do not reflect this information. military cost today - military cost pre-war = the cost of the war. I think.
I think some folks quickly forget what was going on prior to the Iraq invasion,
Sadam was not allowing open inspection etc... Many dems voted for the war on the same info that GW had and many top dems claimed Iraq to be a major threat to the US. So, let us all try to rememer that one person did not start this war and many now want out. I would ask those who want out, how should we do it. It is easy to say get the troops out but whats the plan?
Flame retardent applied...fire away..

[SeanGAR]

Originally Posted by mdtaggart

When it comes to the cost of the war, one should factor in the cost of the military prior to the war. I think, but do not know, that the numbers in the media do not reflect this information. military cost today - military cost pre-war = the cost of the war. I think.

Makes perfect sense.

Cost of the war ends up ~100 billion per year based on your criteria (I compared 2002 and 2007 entire military budgets @ defenselink.mil). Four and a half years @ 100 billion/year is pretty dang close to the estimates of the war cost which run north of 475 billion.

[glking]

And just what is the MSRP for freedom these days?

[SeanGAR]

Originally Posted by glking

And just what is the MSRP for freedom these days?

Freedom? You weren't free in 2002?

[replicant_argent]

Originally Posted by SeanGAR

Freedom? You weren't free in 2002?

There was also a cost for freedom in 2002, and in years preceding that. Maintaining an army, air force, marines, coast guard, and navy are the costs of freedom. Those costs remain in maintenance, training, equipping, and retirement, even when those forces are not actively being used in any conflict.

[mdtaggart]

Originally Posted by SeanGAR

Freedom? You weren't free in 2002?

I am not sure I understand this question or it's intent. Of course we were free in 2002. This is America the land of the free. I think there is cost involved in maintaining that freedom. The world seems to be coming a more dangerous place. The threats to the US are ever changing and so the price of protection will also change. High tech defense does not come cheap.
We can debate until we r blue in the face about the current war. But again I ask for those who say pull out, how do you see that getting done properly.