Schwarzenegger Bans Smoking with Kids in Cars

[Perry72]

I really wish someone would tell exactly what *right* or *liberty* is being violated here. Lots of people keep throwing those words around till they lose all meaning. Just aggrovating cause noone has the right or liberty to force a small child to breathe smoke. And I just flat out refuse to here any of that *windows down* bullshit. Regardless of other bills that this one may lead to in the future, this bill is in no way impressing upon anyones rights or civil liberties.

[BigFrankMD]

Originally Posted by Perry72

I really wish someone would tell exactly what *right* or *liberty* is being violated here. Lots of people keep throwing those words around till they lose all meaning. Just aggrovating cause noone has the right or liberty to force a small child to breathe smoke. And I just flat out refuse to here any of that *windows down* bullshit. Regardless of other bills that this one may lead to in the future, this bill is in no way impressing upon anyones rights or civil liberties.

ya but we all know all the shit goes out the window as soon as someone drops the C bomb...Children.

What kills me we "care so much" about the children, but only when its to get some sort of legislation across or get something done. No one cares about the children until its too late it seems, or they fit into some kind of agenda. Unless they are needed for a cause just keep em jacked up on meds. Sad part is politicians are exploiting children to keep taking shit away and taxing us to death.

Also, when I grew up my parents smoked around me and people before did also. I do not have asthma or any problems like that, it didnt affect my way of life or any of that bullshit. Christ from the 20's- till the 70's everyone freaking smoked. If they are correct about all the cancer etc, then why are populations at a record high? Just make ya wonder sometimes.

[Perry72]

Originally Posted by BigFrankMD

ya but we all know all the shit goes out the window as soon as someone drops the C bomb...Children.

What kills me we "care so much" about the children, but only when its to get some sort of legislation across or get something done. No one cares about the children until its too late it seems, or they fit into some kind of agenda. Unless they are needed for a cause just keep em jacked up on meds. Sad part is politicians are exploiting children to keep taking shit away and taxing us to death.

Also, when I grew up my parents smoked around me and people before did also. I do not have asthma or any problems like that, it didnt affect my way of life or any of that bullshit. Christ from the 20's- till the 70's everyone freaking smoked. If they are correct about all the cancer etc, then why are populations at a record high? Just make ya wonder sometimes.

Is it worth it if just one kid in history gets cancer and dies from people smoking around them? Of course kids are going to be smoked around and grow up with no problems as a result. It's the kids that don't that i'm worried about.

[MyMonkey]

Originally Posted by Andyman

I don't see any difference here... If they can ban one they can ban smoking in your own house..

I would certainly hate to see that one come down the pipe.

Agreed, slippery slope. Although, I recall my parents both smoking like a chimney with me and my brother in the car. Nasty stuff those Menthols.

[BigFrankMD]

Originally Posted by Andyman

I don't see any difference here... If they can ban one they can ban smoking in your own house..

I don't smoke in my house.. However I wouldn't support a bill that would ban it either..

They have already started banning smoking in apartment buildings and other larger multi unit residences, and in public areas too.

[cookieboy364]

Senate Bill 7 by Sen. Jenny Oropeza, D-Long Beach, will prohibit drivers and passengers from smoking cigars, cigarettes and pipes when the car is in motion and at rest.






enough said

[12stones]

Originally Posted by Perry72

Is it worth it if just one kid in history gets cancer and dies from people smoking around them? Of course kids are going to be smoked around and grow up with no problems as a result. It's the kids that don't that i'm worried about.

So then, Perry, where's the limit? How much will you let government dictate that you can't do for someone else's sake? No fast food, no cigars, no motorcycles, no rock music? Where do we let it get to?

[Perry72]

We're not talking about limits. We are talking about one single bill that affects one single subject. I don't recall seeing *Schwarzenegger Bans the Sale of Big Macs* on the title of this thread. I'll worry about the next peice of legislation when it comes. I don't see one single problem with this bill. If you smoke in a car with a child you are in direct violation of that childs *liberty* not to breathe YOUR smoke. And whenever you violate another human beings rights or liberties intentionaly, that should be a criminal act every time. Thats my view on this subject and my final statement.

[12stones]

The problem with your thinking Perry is that this bill sets precedent for the next, and the next, and the next. I absolutely agree with children not having to inhale other people's smoke; I just don't agree with the way it's being done. Apathetic approaches to this kind of legislation will be our nation's undoing.

[jbock]

This idea of liberties being taken away is highly questionable. I am all for personal choice, however, when the health and safety of kids is put in to question, then by all means, legislate away.

I absolutely love smoking cigars, however, I will not, under any circumstances smoke one when my kids are nearby. They are too precious and although I may have the RIGHT to smoke my cigars, I DO NOT have the right to subject them to the dangers.

[dunng]

I for one would never smoke in front of my child, let alone have her in the car while I am smoking... I do not mind this ban, but I am afraid of where it is going.

[replicant_argent]

Originally Posted by jbock

I am all for personal choice, however, when the health and safety of kids is put in to question, then by all means, legislate away.

Mr. Jbock, as your elected State Representative, it is in your best interests to present the following bill.

The State of X will no longer let the parents of any child (custodial or non-custodial) smoke, imbibe, or partake of any kind of tobacco product. The well being of our nations children is at stake and we realize that the use of any tobacco product shortens the life of the parent and subsequently affects the well being of the child by not providing the maximum lifespan of the Parent.

Try that on for size when you think about the "go ahead, legislate away" slippery slope.

[borndead1]

Originally Posted by Perry72

I really wish someone would tell exactly what *right* or *liberty* is being violated here.

The right to raise your children without interference from an intrusive, power-hungry government.


What the government is doing here is stepping in between you and your children, effectively usurping your right to raise your children as you see fit, even if you are an idiot who smokes around your kids.



Ever hear the "frog soup" analogy?




Lately, the conspiracy theorists are sounding alot less crazy to me.

[Perry72]

Originally Posted by 12stones

The problem with your thinking Perry is that this bill sets precedent for the next, and the next, and the next. I absolutely agree with children not having to inhale other people's smoke; I just don't agree with the way it's being done. Apathetic approaches to this kind of legislation will be our nation's undoing.

How else can you do it? There is no other way. People are too stupid and selfish to do it themselves. That's why we have laws. We are a nation of laws, not a nation of do the right thing.

[Perry72]

Originally Posted by borndead1

The right to raise your children without interference from an intrusive, power-hungry government.


What the government is doing here is stepping in between you and your children, effectively usurping your right to raise your children as you see fit, even if you are an idiot who smokes around your kids.



Ever hear the "frog soup" analogy?




Lately, the conspiracy theorists are sounding alot less crazy to me.

That is by far the stupidist thing I have ever heard. OMFG!

I'm done with this thread. I will not come back in, so don't bother responding.