Schwarzenegger Bans Smoking with Kids in Cars

[borndead1]

Originally Posted by Perry72

People are too stupid and selfish to do it themselves.

People are too stupid to feed their kids healthy food as well.


And too stupid to help their kids with their homework.


And too stupid to take their kids to a dentist.


And too stupid to teach their kids about sex.


And too stupid to discipline their kids.


And too stupid to teach their kids morals.


And too stupid to teach their kids about drugs.


And too stupid to..........raise their kids.

[replicant_argent]

Just give Perry his ball and let him go home.

[Andyman]

Originally Posted by borndead1

People are too stupid to feed their kids healthy food as well.


And too stupid to help their kids with their homework.


And too stupid to take their kids to a dentist.


And too stupid to teach their kids about sex.


And too stupid to discipline their kids.


And too stupid to teach their kids morals.


And too stupid to teach their kids about drugs.


And too stupid to..........raise their kids.

Well said..

I was just thinking about this yesterday... We have increasing violence on the street. Innocent people are killed because people are too stupid to raise their kids...

Edit:

If government wants to do womething usefull and save lives why don't they pass legislation to help fight gang violence???

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by replicant_argent

Just give Perry his ball and let him go home.

It's unfortunate when folks can't debate issues in a mature fashion. We seem to have someone like that in every good debate thread that comes up.

[replicant_argent]

Originally Posted by pds

It's unfortunate when folks can't debate issues in a mature fashion. We seem to have someone like that in every good debate thread that comes up.

Absolutely correct, my apologies, Perry.

[garilla]

Originally Posted by Andyman

I agree - kids, small enclosed space, smoke = Bad..

But what if the Gov. comes and tells you you cannot give your kids soda.. it's bad, causes hyper activity Etc..

Where do we draw the line?

Agreed. Where do they draw the line? Seems Kalifornia has been redefining where to draw that line and worn out many an eraser by redrawing it over and over again for years. Although I would tend to agree with kids and closed spaces. Hell, I'm concerned about it when I'm sitting with other adults outdoors around the same table when I know others don't smoke cigars.

Couldn't pay this cigar-smoking, gun nut enough money to move there. Ever. My apologies for those who live there, and my condolences for the recent passing of your rights.

If you happen to see Common F. Sense bruised and bleeding on the sidewalk in that state, at least do him a favor and help him to his feet.

- Garilla

[yamaha6000]

Originally Posted by Perry72

Why the hell would anyone wanna smoke with kids in the car. What kind of sick bastard would it take to do that?

Anywho, if I read this correct, and if i'm wrong please correct me, the law is for smoking with kids in the car. I'm not sure if this means you can smoke in your car if your by yourself or not. If this is the case, i'm all for it. Your rights are only legit if they don't infringe on someone elses rights to life, liberty and the pursuit. If your smoking with some young kids in the car, convertible or not, your stepping all over there rights to life and not breathing in the smoke thats gonna find its way to the back seat one way or another.

My

Sorry, but children do not have rights. Can they smoke? Can they drive a car? Can they get a job? No, they can't, but none the less, you shouldn't smoke in your car with kids, but is this something we need to waste our time on to write a piece of legislation? People who are dumb enough to smoke in their car with kids are going to do it anyway, this does nothing.

[BigFrankMD]

Originally Posted by yamaha6000

Sorry, but children do not have rights. Can they smoke? Can they drive a car? Can they get a job? No, they can't, but none the less, you shouldn't smoke in your car with kids, but is this something we need to waste our time on to write a piece of legislation? People who are dumb enough to smoke in their car with kids are going to do it anyway, this does nothing.

This is a little harsh but I agree. Stupid people will continue to finds ways of harming others regardless of what laws are in place. I really dont think we need ANOTHER law. I mean we have enough , start enforcing the current ones. If someone really wanted to make a case against someone smoking with a kid in the car they could go along the lines of neglect and endangerment. Weither or not you are for or against anti smoking laws. I honestly think we as americans should have better to worry about. But I do enjoy the debate here!

[Snakeyes]

You don't really believe that having a job, driving a car, or smoking defines whether or not you have rights do you??? Human beings, REGARDLESS OF AGE have rights, PERIOD. My children have the right to breathe air free of smoke, and I do not have the right to take that away from them even if I do smoke. Will this legislation stop ALL adults from smoking in cars with their kids in the car? Likely not. But it might stop some and that makes it worthwhile. I think we're missing the bigger picture and that is that there are times we need to make a law that simply states what we value.

Originally Posted by yamaha6000

Sorry, but children do not have rights. Can they smoke? Can they drive a car? Can they get a job? No, they can't, but none the less, you shouldn't smoke in your car with kids, but is this something we need to waste our time on to write a piece of legislation? People who are dumb enough to smoke in their car with kids are going to do it anyway, this does nothing.

[tedrodgerscpa]

Originally Posted by Beer Doctor

I'll probably get ostracized for this but I don't think there is anything wrong with this. In fact, I applaud this ban. I can't tell you how many times I've seen windows rolled up and parents smoking while their kids are sitting in the back. It makes me sick and isn't fair to the kids.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

If you can't wait until the kids aren't in the car, you've got a real problem

[borndead1]

I couldn't disagree more.



I believe there are certain powers that the government should NEVER have, no matter what. These types of laws set very dangerous precedents. On the surface they may look good. But seriously, how much power do you want the government to have over how you raise your children?

[fireman43]

I rarely ever post in these political threads, and what I am going to post is NOT an attack on anyone else. It is also just MY opinion on the matter which I am entitled to as much as anyone else.
Smoking with kids in the car. WRONG. No argument from me about that one.
The government telling me I CAN'T smoke in my car with my kids if I were an idiot and chose to. WRONG. In MY opinion this is just the first step towards more strong arming by the government. What's next after this? If you have kids you can't own a dog because it might one day bite your child for whatever reason. You can't ride your kid on a motorcycle because it inherently puts the child at risk by not being in an enclosed automobile. No more school sports because of the possibility of the child breaking a bone. No more theme parks if you have kids because the risk involved with riding all the rides if something were to happen. All of these are stretches I agree, but many would say the same thing about the legistlation in question as well. Is it really going to stop people from smoking with their kids in the car? Some yes, but they will be the minority in MY opinion since most people who really care don't smoke with their kids in the car now.

[replicant_argent]

Lowest Common Denominator Legislation.
We may be a society of laws, but too many laws are as troublesome as not enough laws.

[Snakeyes]

I disagree. This law does not have any effect on how you raise your kids. It is protecting the rights of children. Children often do not have the power to enforce or protect their own rights so we as a society must put laws in place to make sure that their rights are protected. Children, no matter what family environment, all have the same rights and one of those is the right to breathe air not contaminated with cigarette/cigar smoke. We as parents don't have the right to take that away from them just because we are their parents and we certainly shouldn't hide behind the guise that it is a parenting issue.

If this law told me (and I'm Canadian so it doesn't but for arguement's sake) where I could and couldn't send my children to school, what clothes they could wear or what values I could teach them, then yes, I would agree that this is a bad thing. However, it does not. It protects childrens' rights to breathe clean air. I really can't believe this is an issue.

Originally Posted by borndead1

I couldn't disagree more.



I believe there are certain powers that the government should NEVER have, no matter what. These types of laws set very dangerous precedents. On the surface they may look good. But seriously, how much power do you want the government to have over how you raise your children?

[Snakeyes]

Originally Posted by fireman43

I rarely ever post in these political threads, and what I am going to post is NOT an attack on anyone else. It is also just MY opinion on the matter which I am entitled to as much as anyone else.
Smoking with kids in the car. WRONG. No argument from me about that one.
The government telling me I CAN'T smoke in my car with my kids if I were an idiot and chose to. WRONG. In MY opinion this is just the first step towards more strong arming by the government. What's next after this? If you have kids you can't own a dog because it might one day bite your child for whatever reason. You can't ride your kid on a motorcycle because it inherently puts the child at risk by not being in an enclosed automobile. No more school sports because of the possibility of the child breaking a bone. No more theme parks if you have kids because the risk involved with riding all the rides if something were to happen. All of these are stretches I agree, but many would say the same thing about the legistlation in question as well. Is it really going to stop people from smoking with their kids in the car? Some yes, but they will be the minority in MY opinion since most people who really care don't smoke with their kids in the car now.

The difference is that, with the exception of the motorcycle example (you made no mention of helmet or motorcycle seat), all are ACCEPTABLE risks in our society. The benefits of exercise in organised sports far out weigh the risks involved. The same for owning a family pet or the fun of an amusement park. You do not have the right, however, to place your child in UNNECESSARY risk. Riding with your 4 year old on a motorcycle doing a hundred miles an hour with no helmet, involving your child in blood sports, owning an aligator for a family pet, or taking them to an amusement park with broken down rides (yes, I know they are all outlandish but they prove the point) are UNNECESSARY risks and as a parent you should be held accountable for placing your child in danger.

Smoking with your child in the car is placing your child in UNNECESSARY risk. There is no benefit to it, PERIOD. It isn't healthy and we all know that. There's no arguement here.